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The White House’s Obamacare fix is about to create a big mess
Washington Post ^ | November 14, 2013 | Sarah Kliff

Posted on 11/14/2013 10:51:01 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: TigersEye

” ....like stipulating to the contractor that he uses wood from a tree that only exists on planet Pandora.”
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LOL. Even though EPA has already outlawed wood from other planets for guitar-making, prospective homeowner feels certain the Fed govt will grandfather an exemption for Pandora wood’s use in home construction.

IOW, If you want my business, take the risk.


101 posted on 11/14/2013 12:20:26 PM PST by thouworm (Sebelius asked to sign up for ObamaCare. Hot mic reply: Don't do this to me!)
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To: Jim Noble

Of course they won’t. Every failure of the five-year plan needs wreckers to take the blame, Obamacare is no different.


Yes, this is just more campaigning by the Dems for the LIV vote. Soon the MSM will pumping that Uncle Barry let them keep their plans but the evil insurance companies wouldn’t do it.


102 posted on 11/14/2013 12:22:51 PM PST by lodi90
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To: TigersEye
This is like bringing a contractor a new set of plans once a week after he has started building a house.

You missed one step. This is telling the contractor he has to re-build the house he just demolished.

103 posted on 11/14/2013 12:24:23 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you Something wrong here wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: thouworm
He'll fix that pesky prohibition on Pandora wood with an EO.
Next week the contractor will get a set of plans to build a large guitar.
104 posted on 11/14/2013 12:24:51 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Maybe the insurance companies shouldn’t have gotten in bed with a liberal lunatic SNAKE....who has never had a real job, EVER...

“Changing the rules after health plans have already met the requirements of the law could destabilize the market and result in higher premiums for consumers,” said Karen Ignani, president and chief executive of America’s Health Insurance Plans. “Premiums have already been set for next year based on an assumption of when consumers will be transitioning to the new marketplace. If now fewer younger and healthier people choose to purchase coverage in the exchange, premiums will increase and there will be fewer choices for consumers.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obamato-to-announce-change-to-address-health-insurance-cancellations/2013/11/14/3be49d24-4d37-11e3-9890-a1e0997fb0c0_story.html


105 posted on 11/14/2013 12:25:10 PM PST by kcvl
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To: steve86
This is telling the contractor he has to re-build the house he just demolished.

WITH the materials that the bulldozer just smashed and buried in a pit.

106 posted on 11/14/2013 12:26:31 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: lapsus calami
...check...

...everybody thinking "single payer" was the end game...

...it's just a means to an end...

107 posted on 11/14/2013 12:30:09 PM PST by cyberaxe (....Uuuummpphhhh.....)
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To: AU72

So what happens if we had delayed, defunded or repealed Obamacare entirely in October? You’re saying we would still have had to comply with all the insurance changes next year because companies wouldn’t have time to change anything? Good thing we didn’t repeal then. It would’ve been a disaster for the Republicans since all these mandatory Obamacare changes would have happened anyway after the repeal and they’d get the blame.


108 posted on 11/14/2013 12:31:59 PM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: TigersEye

All the while BamBam says “bring it in under cost and ahead of schedule.”


“Because I can think of six impossible things before breakfast and therefore, so can you!”


109 posted on 11/14/2013 12:35:58 PM PST by reformedliberal
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

insurance commissioners in Democratic states, who understand the impact of fewer enrollees on the exchanges, can override the administration fix, and force people to move to exchanges.


Which is likely why the final arbiter in all of this IS the State Insurance Commissions. So, you have pinpointed a likely action from Insurance Commissioners in Dem States and in the Red States, the blame can go to the GOP Governors and legislatures for not setting up their own exchanges.

Insurance companies, Insurance Commissioners and the GOP....it’s a threefer and zer0 skates off scott-free.


110 posted on 11/14/2013 12:40:29 PM PST by reformedliberal
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To: TigersEye; steve86

As I have said many times before regarding ANYTHING that Obama has done, he said that he would “build a new foundation”. That means you need to tear out the old foundation. From the context of that speech (excerpt below) you can see the communistic flow of it. He means to tear down the very Foundation of this country including our Constitutional rights, the checks and balances of government, and the free market that our economy is based on. Another step of tearing down the free market is bringing government control to 1/6 of our economy (health care). But it is just ONE step.

Remarks of President Barack Obama – Address to Joint Session of Congress, Feb. 24th, 2009

“Now, if we’re honest with ourselves, we’ll admit that for too long, we have not always met these responsibilities.... The fact is, our economy did not fall into decline overnight....In other words, we have lived through an era where too often, short-term gains were prized over long-term prosperity; where we failed to look beyond the next payment, the next quarter, or the next election. A surplus became an excuse to transfer wealth to the wealthy instead of an opportunity to invest in our future...

Well that day of reckoning has arrived, and the time to take charge of our future is here. Now is the time to act boldly and wisely – to not only revive this economy,
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but to BUILD A NEW FOUNDATION FOR LASTING PROSPERITY.”

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-of-President-Barack-Obama-Address-to-Joint-Session-of-Congress


111 posted on 11/14/2013 12:41:04 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: JediJones
So what happens if we had delayed, defunded or repealed Obamacare entirely in October?

Right. I know in Massachusetts, and probably true in most other states, that health insurance premiums need to be approved by the regulatory body for the following year by October 1 which is a drop dead date for an insurer to get premiums and eligibility rules into the system and tested by Jan. 1.

I'm thinking Obama knows this but is looking for anything to get him off the dime of this train wreck.

112 posted on 11/14/2013 12:42:25 PM PST by AU72
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To: alloysteel

One look at this graphic and you know why Obamacare is unfixable.

http://www.ivoteconservative.com/DOWNLOAD/Obamacare_Chart.pdf


113 posted on 11/14/2013 12:45:18 PM PST by Starboard
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To: 21twelve

“...another step...”

Reminds me of an old document from 1776:

“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States....”


114 posted on 11/14/2013 12:46:56 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: Starboard

The wiring diagram on the 1985 Ford LTD I once had was much less complex, and I gave up on it long before I traced the bug in the radio connections (battery kept going dead).

Ended up sending the car to a crusher.


115 posted on 11/14/2013 12:48:58 PM PST by alloysteel (Men may not always be capable of evil, but they are always capable of incompetence.)
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To: reformedliberal
“Because I can think of six impossible things before breakfast and therefore, so can you!”

That is a very accurate and succinct view of his mind IMO.
The Incredible Eight Year Old Man!

116 posted on 11/14/2013 1:00:07 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

>> “This puts the insurance companies,” Laszewski writes, “who have successfully complied with the law, in a hell of a mess.”

Since the Citizens United lawsuit was decided in favor of corporations by the Supreme Court, insurance companies are free to run hard-hitting issue ads that spell out just exactly where the blame for this debacle belongs.

Right before the midterm elections, if they so choose.

I hope they take advantage of this powerful tool.


117 posted on 11/14/2013 1:02:43 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: cyberaxe
 
 
Yep - it's perfect for the crisis-driven modus operandi they use. Provoke an emergency, then make their moves to "fix" it. If they are crazy enough to make that play for the retirement accounts, the resulting mess will be off the charts.
 
 

118 posted on 11/14/2013 2:10:41 PM PST by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: SpaceBar

the 20th and probably the most dangerous. Now we’re all going down.


119 posted on 11/14/2013 2:12:23 PM PST by livius
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; HiTech RedNeck
I'm wondering if anyone in the WH has even an iota of knowledge about Economics. Insurance is risk vs reward, and they're passing stuff without taking that into consideration.

He's what I'd do to save the situation. Offer a catastrophic-only policy that is considered Obamacare compliant. Let people choose however high a deductible as they want, but with restrictions about changing that deductible downward in the future. It puts risk vs reward back in the equation. Some people will make bad decisions; that's life.

People who lost their insurance could get this policy and insurance companies would be free to write new policies for the other stuff. People would choose which coverages they want, and the insurance companies would set the prices. Some things will of course be uninsurable (like birth control pills) because that isn't a risk thing....it's an expense. It could be cost-managed if someone chose a pharmaceutical coverage policy.

The thing is, with these conditions a lot of people would get a "full coverage" package if it's a choice. Effective advertising combined with scare tactics would take care of breaking resistance, if people are choosing instead of being told what to do.

But this mess? I'm disgusted with just about everyone except Ted Cruz. There have to be others in the HOR and Senate smart enough to have known why this can't work. Instead, they're still playing political games.

120 posted on 11/14/2013 2:16:35 PM PST by grania
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