Posted on 11/14/2013 7:27:50 AM PST by Gamecock
Police officers in the city of Louisiana, Missouri used the stun gun to stop Ryan Miller after he kicked in a front door and tried to enter his house to rescue his 3-year-old stepson, Riley.
Officers on the scene felt it was too dangerous to let anybody go in. ...Miller was tased three times, then handcuffed and thrown in the back of a police car.
The boy's body was eventually found 12 to 15 feet from the front door.
(Excerpt) Read more at abclocal.go.com ...
Nice,
I had a similar exerience. on my old property there was a creek, it flooded. Ajacent to my property was a bridge, this was flooded too. Some fool tryed to cross the bridge and his car got stuck. The water was about knee deep at this time and he was in his car when I found him. I got my long tow rope and hooked it my truck and then started to wade out to hook it to his car and pull him in, when the cops showed up. Car was maybe 50 feet away. The cop flipped out and threatened me with arrest and I backed down. We then waited until the fire departement show up. They then waited for the river rescue team to show up. they then debated the way to get him. meanwhile the river kept rising and rushing, he was now sitting on top of his car. finally they took a rope tied it to the firetruck extended the ladder into the the river and climbed on the ladder out to him and brought him back. There must have been 25 people there, a fire truck, river rescue craft. and several cops on both sides of the creek and about an hour after my attempt they finally got him out. Car was totaled.
In a free society, every individual is free.
Which means that the guy who ran out of a burning house and abandoned his child should feel free to "make it better" by running back into the fire to die with the corpse of the child he left behind.
At the same time, the police officer - who is also a free individual - should feel free to follow his conscience and prevent a lunatic from committing suicide.
If the forgetful stepfather is a free man so is the cop.
If the father is wrong in trying to save his child, he pays with his life; if the government agent is wrong, the child pays with his life and the cop gets to go home at the end of his shift.
The thugs with badges that you carry water for can feel free to stop doing the rest of us favors any time they like.
While I acknowledge that this man, and also your husband, may allow their emotions to prevail over their better judgement, for your sake and his family's sake it's good that an observer with better judgment is sometimes able to intervene.
None of us commenting on this, here on this thread, were there, so none of us know EXACTLY the circumstances. It may well be that the officer did the right thing, and it may well be that he did the wrong thing. We here cannot judge that, as you have. However, I do not believe that in a free society the State should be taking choices like this away from people. We have the right to be wrong, and to bear the consequences thereof.
“By the time police and fire arrived, the child was already dead.”
I must have missed this in the article.
I did do a Google on this subject and found several articles, some details conflicting, but did find:
“Ryan said his son was still breathing when officials carried him out of the house, which means that for the last few moments of Riely’s life, his dad was sitting in a jail cell.”
at:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dad-tasered-save-son-burning-home-article-1.1509707
Now from this threads article:
“The boy’s body was eventually found 12 to 15 feet from the front door.
“How they all just stood around and waited for the fire department, what kind of police officer wouldn’t try to save a 3-year-old burning in a house?” Emily Miller said.”
I would say the father made a pretty good judgement call to begin with, and the cops, with no donuts to eat or dogs to shoot decided this guy would be good targe practice.
That cop would suffer for the rest of his life if he prevented me from trying to save my son...I promise that.............................
Everything is so upside down....God help us!
So if you are a government employee you cannot act according to your conscience?
Explain why that makes sense.
WA...hope you’re having fun making pals here today
lol
So if you were there, you would have stood by and watched this man run into a blazing fire?
When it was noted that he went inside while the pros did not he said, “it was not their Mama inside.”
So your position is that no one, besides myself, has expressed a judgment on the thread?
I do not believe that in a free society the State should be taking choices like this away from people.
I agree. Just because the cop was a state employee, it does not mean that he should not do what he thought was right.
Do you think it's a good idea to just watch a man commit suicide and do nothing about it?
The more stories I read about police, the more it convinces me that many of them are just a bunch of thugs!
If a neighbor, who wasn't acting with the power and authority of the government, had tasered and then shackled the father, he would be facing a book full of felony charges (actually, in my neighborhood he would have been killed by other neighbors). A government employee has even less moral authority in such a situation than a neighbor.
(1) Ryan knows that the child was still breathing when taken from the house
(2) Ryan was not at the scene when the child was taken from the house.
The operative phrase in that the linked report is: "Ryan said."
I'm sure he did.
Not really. In a free society an individual has inalienable rights. There is no right to "sovereignty" - sovereignty is a revocable privilege conferred by the agreement of free individuals.
A government employee has even less moral authority in such a situation than a neighbor.
On what grounds, exactly?
Good for him and for them.
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just a little edit.
Cops are not firefighters nor first responders, if you will. They hold a more special place in our society.
But to ask a parent to , No , force a parent to stand down while his young is in peril..
No, it's not easy to be right .. or wrong.
The more stories I read about police, the more it convinces me that many of them are just a bunch of thugs!”
Thank you.
I never had this attitude myself until I lived under the tyranny of a couple of bad cops. It’s pointless to go into details, but this sort of person lives in all societies, and the society of Nazi Germany made good use of them in the SS and Gestapo.
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