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Machinists union leader: Boeing offer ‘a piece of crap’ (Everett, WA)
Seattle Times ^ | November 7, 2013 | Dominic Gates

Posted on 11/08/2013 10:19:14 AM PST by jazusamo

Machinists are expressing anger at the terms offered by Boeing to win the 777X work for Everett. Boeing said in a statement that the company is ready to "pursue other options" outside Washington.

In a dramatic end to a meeting with hundreds of disgruntled Machinists at the Seattle union headquarters Thursday night, District 751 President Tom Wroblewski tore up a copy of Boeing’s contract proposal and said he would try to have it withdrawn.

“I know this is a piece of crap,” Wroblewski said about the proposed new eight-year agreement that Boeing says will determine whether the forthcoming 777X jet is built in Everett.

“I will go to see if this can be withdrawn and not even put to a vote,” he said.

The local union leader spoke from the podium as the intense and raucous meeting came to an end and people filed out. He told members he’ll check whether the union’s bylaws allow the proposal to be pulled so there is no vote next Wednesday.

Boeing did not comment on the meeting except to say in a statement:

“All of our options are still on the table, including those within Boeing and interest we have received from outside. We chose to engage in Puget Sound first, but without full acceptance by the union and Legislature, we will be left with no choice but to open up the process competitively and pursue other options for locating the 777X work.”

Wroblewski was responding to a wave of strong negative feeling in the meeting in South Park, where members of the Local A unit of District 751 heard details of the proposed contract and voiced their opinions.

Some arrived for the meeting carrying large homemade “Vote No” signs, and the opinion of the majority came through loud and clear.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 777x; boeing; iam; unions
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To: SpeakerToAnimals
Remember that the Japanese learned a lot of their system from Ed Deming.

I went to one of his seminars back in the 80s.

They listened to him, the big 3 didn't (at least until many years later).


61 posted on 11/08/2013 12:30:22 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: Steve_Seattle

Seattle area is diversified..but for a company like Boeing...each one of their jobs supports about 10..


62 posted on 11/08/2013 12:34:42 PM PST by ken5050 (Benghazi investigation update: "The plot thickens, like Hillary Clinton's ankles.." (longfellow")
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To: ComputerGuy

Psst ... actually that would be North Charleston.


63 posted on 11/08/2013 12:52:28 PM PST by jamaksin
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To: Rusty0604
“Do you think the airline customer is going to want this plane built somewhere else where there’s no expertise?” said the 58-year-old.

Speaking from my experience in other fields, and I believe the same holds true here as well, the customers aren't concerned where the product is built. They really only care that the product will meet their needs as a price they find acceptable.

64 posted on 11/08/2013 1:01:25 PM PST by Parmy
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To: jazusamo; Just Lori; Libertina; Lexinom; horatio; freebird5850; Horatio Gates; Ramius; ...
WA Ping


65 posted on 11/08/2013 1:04:19 PM PST by Baynative (Wake me up early, be good to my dogs and teach my children to pray.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
The reason why Boeing Corporate relocated from WA to Chicago, IL was due to former CEO Harry Stonecipher. Harry came from General Electric, then Sundstrand Aerospace, and then to McDonnell-Douglas.

When McDonnell-Douglas was acquired by Boeing, Harry relocated to WA as a senior vice president. He was soon named CEO.

Harry's daughter lived in Chicago and they were very tight. He did not like taking four hour rides on the corporate jet to visit her. He arranged with the Board of Directors to move the Boeing Corporate Headquarters to Chicago.

Harry hit his mandatory retirement at 62 and named a hand picked successor. The new CEO did not work out and Harry was brought back from retirement temporarily by the BoD until its Executive Search Committee could find a replacement.

And then the crap hit the fan...66 year old Harry was caught playing the horizontal mambo with a 45 year old, married, female VP. The BoD asked and received Harry's resignation. Mrs. Stonecipher filed for divorce and got 50% of Harry's pension and perks. The female VP was fired and her husband divorced her.

That is why the Boeing Corporate Headquarters are in Chicago.

66 posted on 11/08/2013 8:13:04 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: MasterGunner01

wow, that is some story. thanks for the background.


67 posted on 11/08/2013 8:20:52 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
I suffered through part of it when Harry Stonecipher was our CEO. For Harry to get humiliated and taken to the financial cleaners was gratifying.

By the way, several other corporate big shots replicated the Harry Stonecipher horizontal mambo story that ended with results for their wives similar to Mrs. Stonecipher’s divorce settlement. Those two corporate philanderers were George O. Davis, CEO of United Technologies Corporation and Jack Welch, CEO of General Electric Corporation.

68 posted on 11/08/2013 8:39:37 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: MasterGunner01
"When McDonnell-Douglas was acquired by Boeing..."

Let me correct that:

When McDonnell-Douglas bought Boeing with Boeing's money...

69 posted on 11/08/2013 8:51:42 PM PST by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: MasterGunner01; namsman

How many secretaries did Phil Condit boink and/or marry?


70 posted on 11/08/2013 8:53:15 PM PST by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: SW6906

I stand corrected. I heard it the other way. LOL


71 posted on 11/08/2013 8:55:00 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: SW6906
I have no knowledge of Phil Condit’s dalliances. I only know about Harry's, George's, and Jack's. As they undoubtedly said before they got caught: “It's good to be boss.”
72 posted on 11/08/2013 8:59:10 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: cherokee1

While considering the arrogance and stupidity of the IAM (International Association and Aerospace Workers) District 751 Union, I am reminded of Eastern Airlines.

Eastern was in bad financial shape and CEO Frank Lorenzo had secured concessions with nearly all the other unions at Eastern to keep it afloat — except the IAM that refused. Eventually, Eastern made its “last, best, and final offer” that was rejected by the IAM. The IAM was warned that Eastern would go out of business if the new contract and concessions were rejected. Eastern Airlines stopped flying on 19 January 1991. In effect, the IAM killed Eastern Airlines.


73 posted on 11/08/2013 9:16:53 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: jazusamo

Asking them to drive more than their single daily rivet is patently offensive and a major give back


74 posted on 11/08/2013 10:13:35 PM PST by rdcbn
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To: jazusamo
I'd like to see the exact wages they get paid and how much paid time off they receive.

They NEVER tell you that in these news reports because they know non-union readers would be screaming with anger and mockery.

75 posted on 11/09/2013 12:40:42 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: MasterGunner01
Jack Welch’s heir apparent Gary Wendt also got butchered in a divorce just 4 years before Welch did.

Wendt was CEO of GE Capital, which financed everything GE built, and earned 40% of GE's profits.

Wendt was worth almost $500 million, mainly because he got paid in GE stock options.

His wife held out for $250 million, her story was front page news everywhere, she got most of it, and Gary Wendt got fired.

76 posted on 11/09/2013 12:58:12 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: Shark24

Going to California is going from the frying pan to the fire. It makes much more sense to move out of the blue state orbit.


77 posted on 11/09/2013 8:41:40 AM PST by wjr123
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To: zeestephen
What is it about these testosterone fueled CEOs that they think their philandering won't become public? Hell hath no fury like a spouse who finds out she's been cheated on by her husband. And these titans of industry are arrogant to believe a jury won't hammer them in a divorce proceeding? Delusional thinking.
78 posted on 11/09/2013 8:12:10 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: jazusamo
Seattle.
West Detroit?



FN unions never learn...
79 posted on 11/09/2013 8:16:06 PM PST by djf (Global warming is turning out to be a bunch of hot air!!)
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