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Global warming exaggerated, former PM John Howard says
news.com.au ^ | 6th November 2013

Posted on 11/05/2013 1:19:11 PM PST by naturalman1975

Edited on 11/05/2013 3:45:21 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

FORMER PM John Howard thinks there'll never be a worldwide climate change agreement and admits he only backed emissions trading before the 2007 election because he faced a "perfect storm" on the issue.

"I've always been agnostic about it (climate change)," Mr Howard told reporters in London before his address.


(Excerpt) Read more at theaustralian.com.au ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: climatechangefraud; globalwarminghoax; johnhoward

1 posted on 11/05/2013 1:19:11 PM PST by naturalman1975
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To: naturalman1975

Global warming is a fact.

Global warming made it possible to melt many miles thick ice glaciers formed during last ice age.

MAN MADE global warming is totally unproven and perpetrated on low information voters for raising taxes on fuels.


2 posted on 11/05/2013 1:22:55 PM PST by entropy12 (With no fear of re-election, Obama is becoming more radical left..thanks a lot all you who abstained)
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To: naturalman1975

The lie of man-made GW is not news. It has been going on for a long time, is a money-generating scam, and is criminal.

Fools continue to support the un-supported for their own financial benefit or to just feed their stupidity.


3 posted on 11/05/2013 1:27:51 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: naturalman1975
IOW, he didn't really believe in MMGW, but he was willing to impose an onerous, business crippling regulatory scheme on his country to save his political neck.


4 posted on 11/05/2013 1:35:22 PM PST by Hugin
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To: entropy12

Little Johnny Howard is about as low-down, gutless, chin-less, lying, two-faced a politician you could ever have the misfortune of being governed by. He was the “conservative” choice (Liberal Party) when elected who then proceeded on to advance draconian gun control laws, ridiculous environmental laws, and, a “me too” foreign policy for his country.

So now he doesn’t really believe all of that hocus-pocus anway, eh? Screw him.


5 posted on 11/05/2013 1:40:04 PM PST by FAA
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To: Hugin
IOW, he didn't really believe in MMGW, but he was willing to impose an onerous, business crippling regulatory scheme on his country to save his political neck.

No. He was almost certainly going to retire anyway shortly after the election. He was trying to prevent the election of a socialist government. At the time, it was clear that the Australian electorate as a whole wanted action on climate change, rightly or wrongly. To have any hope of preventing the election of a Labor government, the conservative coalition needed to be seen as addressing this.

I'm about to post the text of his entire speech. You may certainly disagree with it, but it does a better job of laying out the situation than this brief summary does.

6 posted on 11/05/2013 1:53:22 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: FAA
Little Johnny Howard is about as low-down, gutless, chin-less, lying, two-faced a politician you could ever have the misfortune of being governed by.

Speaking as an Australian conservative, I disagree. I think he was probably the second greatest Prime Minister, we have had. It wasn't perfect, but we don't get perfect.

He was the “conservative” choice (Liberal Party) when elected who then proceeded on to advance draconian gun control laws,

To an extent, true - although the laws are nowhere near as bad as they seem to have been painted in America, they certainly weren't good laws - but I think it's important to point out exactly what happened. When he went to the election in 1996, there was no mention of amending Australia's gun laws. But a massacre shortly after the election turned this into an issue of serious national concern. Australians, as a whole - including a lot of conservative Australians - wanted the laws changed after that - unlike the US, there is no guarantee of a right to bear arms in our constitution, so it was not considered a constitutional issue which might have changed that. But all the Howard government really did was try to get more uniform standards on gun control across Australia - the primary gun control laws were state laws, and most of them were already in place. Most gun laws in Australia are still state laws - not federal ones - so overstating the impact of Mr Howard and the federal laws actually causes issues for those of us who are trying to get more sensible laws.

ridiculous environmental laws

Which laws are these? He proposed an ETS in 2007, as this article says, to try and win an election, but it never got put into practice. He spent most of his period as Prime Minister stopping ridiculous environmental laws from gaining traction.

and, a “me too” foreign policy for his country.

Again, I'm not sure what you are talking about here. Most of Australia's foreign policy was far more independent under Howard's government than at any other time in our history.

7 posted on 11/05/2013 2:10:24 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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Pope still Catholic.

Bears still live in the woods.

Pelosi still crazy.

Man-Bear-Pig still greedy.

Gravity still dragging things to the ground.

Obama still lying.


8 posted on 11/05/2013 3:22:18 PM PST by PATRIOT1876
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To: naturalman1975
At the time, it was clear that the Australian electorate as a whole wanted action on climate change, rightly or wrongly. To have any hope of preventing the election of a Labor government, the conservative coalition needed to be seen as addressing this.

So exactly the same argument the RINOs make for their "compromises" like amnesty, gun control, etc. Did they ever consider telling the truth and trying to change public opinion?

9 posted on 11/05/2013 3:29:02 PM PST by Hugin
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Did they ever consider telling the truth and trying to change public opinion?

Yes, and he'd been trying that and largely succeeding for a decade. But it wasn't working this time - and a large part of the reason for that was propaganda by one of your ex-Vice Presidents, using your mass-media/entertainment complex.

I'm sure you never cast a vote in Gore's direction, so you're not to blame for it, but Howard has called it a 'perfect storm' situation. By 2006/2007 the Australian electorate was convinced by leftwing propaganda, partly from outside, and partly from the Australian left, on this issue. Promising to introduce an ETS - that would only take effect if other major industrial nations did the same by the way - was an attempt to try and stop the rot.

It didn't work - but if it had, it still would have been better than the six years of Rudd and Gillard and Rudd again, we had to put up with.

Incidentally, after losing the election, Howard was replaced as Leader of the Liberal Party by Malcolm Turnbull - who is a conservative in name only type. And the party would have run with him as Leader, if the global warming hype hadn't eased up - and he'd probably be Prime Minister now. Fortunately, it did ease up and we've got Tony Abbott, a real conservative again - but once again, even Malcolm Turnbull would have been ten times better than continued Gillard or Rudd.

We've elected two genuinely conservative Prime Ministers out of our last four. Howard wasn't perfect (on guns especially so) and nor is Abbott (his parenting payment stands out), but I don't think we're doing too badly.

10 posted on 11/05/2013 4:11:03 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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