I am not a KelTec fan, either. I can only tell you all of the other manufacturers, while they may say there is a delay to be expected, it is not nearly like the impossibility of getting one of these two from Keltec at something at or below the MRSP. I personally have bought about 15 weapons in the last year, and they all were high-end desirables.
There are a pitiful few number of people who have gotten PMR-30s....you can find out who they are by looking at the gun auction sites where they ask for double what they paid for them.
I like both those two weapons and I have tried my damnedest to get either one. But, I won’t be forced to pay hostage prices for one on GunBroker.com - the only place you can get either now. I just think the company is killing their image by not being truthful and coming back with this allocation crap. All that results in is bigger GunBroker.com offerings at inflated prices.
Many of the other manufacturers just don’t say how long your wait will be, only that there will be one - mostly because even they don’t know how long it will be at this point. I went to order an SR556V earlier this year to compliment my existing SR556 and was told it would be 13 months. Standard SR556 would be 11 months. Called up Rock River Arms for an ATH and they flat out told me that it would be ‘indefinite, but at least 8 months.’ And so on and so forth; I must therefore disagree with you about the ‘impossibility’ of getting a weapon direct from a manufacturer being any different for KT as opposed to Ruger, Glock, RRA, Colt, etc., at this point given the state of the industry. Basically at this point, if you want something newly produced you’re going to be waiting a year for most any of the major brands.
The big difference seems to be that Kel-Tec doesn’t produce many of any given model in a year, so the guys selling them on the gun auction sites don’t have a lot of competition and therefore the prices stay high. Whereas even if you want to sell (say) a NIB Glock 30SF when they’re on back order a year at retail, there are a lot of other guys selling theirs as well, which brings the price you can ask for it way down. I’ve seen this before, when the Saiga 12 shipments were stopped for a while - they were fetching ridiculous prices on Auction Arms for a while because no new ones were available.