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To: Kevmo; justiceseeker93

I don’t think Cruz wants to get through a loophole. As Justiceseeker93 noted, Cruz hasn’t called himself a natural born citizen. He’s said he is a US citizen by birth and he’ll let others sort out the ramifications of that. The question that’s been debated is whether “citizen at birth” is the same thing as “natural born citizen”. There’s been no ruling on that, as is acknowledged by the Department of State guidelines on citizenship that I linked to earlier on this thread. And I hear Cruz saying he will abide by whatever the legal decision is regarding what roles he can and can’t have. God knows he is dynamite where he’s at right now! Nothing is going to stop him from fighting the good fight, wherever he’s given a platform.

What we need is to FORCE the courts to make a ruling that is legally binding, before the trap is laid for Cruz to be our candidate and then SCOTUS gets Hillary with standing and gives the ruling they never would give against Obama.

The Constitution says that SCOTUS has original jurisdiction in all cases in which a State is a party. If a State passes a law enforcing the Vattel definition of NBC and somebody (DOJ, Ted Cruz, a class action group seeking an injunction while constitutionality is being decided or whoever) challenges its constitutionality, SCOTUS has jurisdiction.

We’re tired. We’re disgusted. We’re demoralized and feeling that we’ve got no means to turn this country around. I am so there. We all are. But it’s worth fighting for. We all believe in the rule of law even if we don’t agree on the definition of NBC, and it’s time for us to demand that our judiciary give the rule of law a fighting chance by acknowledging that as long as we have skin in the game it ***IS**** our business to know the rules our efforts will be judged - and potentially disqualified - by.


598 posted on 10/30/2013 4:42:16 PM PDT by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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To: butterdezillion

Do you also seek a ruling on the legal meaning of the word “is”?

NO ONE cares about these fringe legal theories.


600 posted on 10/30/2013 4:45:34 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: butterdezillion

As Justiceseeker93 noted, Cruz hasn’t called himself a natural born citizen.
***Then I gather that calling a fellow FReeper “stupid” or “moron” or “troll” because they won’t call Cruz an NBC is presumptuous and polemic?

He’s said he is a US citizen by birth and he’ll let others sort out the ramifications of that.
***That’s what Obama did, basically. He went through the process of getting elected and then crossed his fingers hoping the SCOTUS would qualify him per the 20th amendment. Obama’s political calculus was on target, the SCOTUS did not stick its neck out, and now he’s the president. In that regard, Cruz is simply following the path blazed by the usurper zer0bama.


604 posted on 10/30/2013 5:07:27 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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