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Cruz says he is a US citizen 'by birth' despite being born in Canada
FOXNEWS.com ^ | October 28, 2013 | unknown

Posted on 10/29/2013 9:02:51 AM PDT by txrangerette

Cruz said in an interview with Fusion that because his mother is an American citizen he is a citizen as well.

"I was a U.S. Citizen by birth and beyond that I'm going to leave it to others to worry about...legal consequences", he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2014election; 2016election; birferism; birth; certifigate; citizen; cruz; doublestandard; election2014; election2016; gettedcruz; mother; naturalborncitizen; texas
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To: DiogenesLamp

Where’s the ruling. I’m not interested so much in the history of John Marshall, where is the ruling?


901 posted on 10/31/2013 2:14:28 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie
I'm getting weary of this for the time being, and I think this may very well be my last message of the day. To answer your question, I think if the issue is taken before the Supreme court today, the four liberals will definitely side with Obama, and the four conservatives may or may not split their vote. I should not be surprised at all if it is even unanimous in favor of the English Common law theory.

The legal system is simply too heavily polluted with a misunderstanding of the Wong Kim Ark ruling. A narrow interpretation of Wong Kim Ark regarding citizenship is correct. A Broad interpretation of Wong Kim Ark regarding "natural born citizenship" is not, but never the less that is predominantly how the legal system interprets it.

They are just wrong, but they have the power to ignore any criticism, so they don't care.

The politically easy answer is to make entry to citizenship very weak, and that is what they will do.

902 posted on 10/31/2013 2:14:31 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: BurningOak

A green card is not citizenship.


903 posted on 10/31/2013 2:15:56 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
You keep saying that, yet It is obvious you haven't even looked at the contrary evidence. There is quite a LOT of evidence to support the point.

Sorry, but even though you are convinced that you have proved your point, you haven't.

I have looked at the contrary evidence, and your problem still rests with the idea that there is one, and only one, definition of a Natural Law version of Natural Born. This is not true.
904 posted on 10/31/2013 2:17:10 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: DiogenesLamp; xzins; CodeToad
All xzins gets out of it is "born citizen." He simply leaves off the word "natural" as having no purpose whatsoever.

Do yourself a favor and when referencing another freeper, ping him/her.

It's the polite thing to do.
905 posted on 10/31/2013 2:19:12 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: BurningOak
The whole two citizen parents and born on American soil definition of Natural Born Citizen did not even exist until after Obama was nominated.

From a book written in 1817, and based on the work of the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania.


906 posted on 10/31/2013 2:21:56 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: onyx

You win.


907 posted on 10/31/2013 2:24:00 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: SoConPubbie
Do yourself a favor and when referencing another freeper, ping him/her.

Couldn't remember how to spell it or I would have.

908 posted on 10/31/2013 2:27:13 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

That really is it for me folks. Be at peace, have a nice evening.

DL


909 posted on 10/31/2013 2:28:19 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Just trying to save you time and spare you grief. This has all been previously argued and discussed ad nauseum.

Post number's 556 and 559.

Be well, DiogenesLamp!
910 posted on 10/31/2013 2:47:37 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

A green card is a path to citizenship, your claim that children do not need to apply for a citizenship is patently false.


911 posted on 10/31/2013 2:49:44 PM PDT by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: DiogenesLamp

The document you posted basically refutes what you are claiming.

Nowhere does it mention the idea that NBC = 2 citizen parents + born in the nation. Accordign to document: The mother is basically ignored and has no relevance to child’s status, the place of birth is overwritten by the father’s status, and Natural Born Citizenship is never mentioned.


912 posted on 10/31/2013 3:03:03 PM PDT by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: BurningOak
your claim that children do not need to apply for a citizenship is patently false

Minor children are automatically naturalized when their parents become citizens

US Citizenship and Immigration Services
http://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary/derivative-citizenship
Derivative Citizenship
Citizenship conveyed to children through the naturalization of parents or, under certain circumstances, to foreign-born children adopted by U.S. citizen parents, provided certain conditions are met.

913 posted on 10/31/2013 3:15:14 PM PDT by MamaTexan (Due to the newly adopted policy at FR, every post I make may be my last.)
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To: MamaTexan

Minor children did not used to become naturalized as you say when their parents became citizens.

High school friend had parents from Argentina who became citizens. He applied to have his status changed as a minor which is much easier compared to applying as an adult.


914 posted on 10/31/2013 3:17:15 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
High school friend had parents from Argentina who became citizens. He applied to have his status changed as a minor which is much easier compared to applying as an adult.<

Do you always base your interpretation of the law solely by personal anecdote?

You basically just called someone a liar, yet the offical US position agrees with him.

915 posted on 10/31/2013 3:21:48 PM PDT by MamaTexan (Due to the newly adopted policy at FR, every post I make may be my last.)
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To: BurningOak
Nowhere does it mention the idea that NBC = 2 citizen parents + born in the nation.

Try this one

This definition was entered into the Congressional record of the House on March 9, 1866, in comments made by Rep. John Bingham on the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which was the precursor to the Fourteenth Amendment.

(center column, 2nd paragraph)
“[I] find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen . . . ” John A. Bingham, March 9, 1866 Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., (1866) [page 1291]
(http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=071/llcg071.db&recNum=332)

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Note the usage of the singular 'every human being' in conjunction with the plural 'parents'.

916 posted on 10/31/2013 4:04:16 PM PDT by MamaTexan (Due to the newly adopted policy at FR, every post I make may be my last.)
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To: MamaTexan

That is a really good find, good stuff.

Though he uses the world “every” not “only”. He gives the broadest definition but does not state that 2 citizen parents and native birth are required for NBC, only that they are sufficient.


917 posted on 10/31/2013 4:21:44 PM PDT by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: DiogenesLamp

No, I’m just focusing on the “born” part at the moment.

Natural will come later.


918 posted on 10/31/2013 4:40:28 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Brown Deer

Nice document. Thanks.


919 posted on 10/31/2013 4:41:23 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

No, it does no such thing. It says that at that time descent was passed through the father. Those days are in the past. The principle, though, was that one parent could pass on citizenship, and that has been retained in US law.

So, a natural born citizen includes those of the same blood descent as the citizen parent.


920 posted on 10/31/2013 4:44:06 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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