Posted on 10/28/2013 7:19:34 AM PDT by Paul46360
"For Cruz, Schwarzenegger, and a number of other potential candidates, the Natural Born Citizenship Clause raises a critical question: Is anyone born outside the United States constitutionally eligible to serve as president?""
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The age limit only applied to children who were not born in the US. Obama and the state of Hawaii say he was born there.
That’s a lovely theory but it has no basis in law.
Benedict Arnold was a natural born citizen, as are traitors Robert Hanssen and Aldrich Ames, Soviet double agent spies against America.
There are only two types of Americans citizens: citizens of the United States at Birth and Naturalized United States citizens. The first category can be president, the second category cannot be president.
It’s really that simple.
Tisdale v Obama, U.S. District Court Judge John A. Gibney, Jr.: “It is well settled that those born within the United States are natural born citizens.”— Tisdale v Obama, US District Court of the Eastern District of Virginia, January 23, 2012.
Allen v Obama, Arizona Superior Court Judge Richard E. Gordon: “Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise.”—Pima County Superior Court, Tuscon, Arizona, March 7, 2012
You need to knock it off. I said no such thing.
What I said is that we conservatives ought to be able to discuss any subject amongst ourselves, no matter how contentious. It's what we've been doing here since this place opened.
For the second time -- I voted for Ted Cruz.. Twice. He's my Senator, and I couldn't be more pleased with what he's done since he went to Washington. If he chooses to run for President in 2016, he's got my vote because he's exactly the sort of American the Framers were trying to restrict the office of President to.
With that out of the way, let me say that I vehemently disagree with the nazi-like idea that any person should be zotted for simply discussing the issue of his eligibility. Shutting down free communication is what the left does. I hope to God we never start acting like them.
I sure would prefer it if his birth circumstance fit that profile, but it is what it is. There are going to be questions and all sorts of discussion over it - regardless of the fact that Obama's bona fides have never been proved.
Dems are so hypocritical that they won't think twice to attack Ted over his citizenship.
When it comes right down to it, the Framers knew they had to come up with some sort of basic litmus test for Presidents. Their loyalty to the nation, the Constitution, our way of life, and the American people is supposed to be beyond question. It's what the NBC clause is supposed to screen for, but there's no way to predict whether a natural born citizen of this country will truly be as loyal as the office requires. Frankly, they did the very best they could, and left the rest to future generations.
In the case of Ted Cruz, I have no doubt he's precisely the sort of American the Framers intended to hold the office.
“Then once and for all we can determine that everything done at the Federal level for the past five years has been illegal. “
Favorable to impeachment. PROVE HIS INELIGIBILITY. It is the ONLY way to legally discard EVERYTHING that Obama’s done.
(AND...re: Cruz...if he’s FOR any kind of amnesty for any illegal aliens...he is NOT getting my vote, period.)
“And possibly his adoption by an Indonesian citizen residing in Indonesia.”
And that adoption quite possibly resulted in Barry’s parents renouncing his U.S. citizenship in favor of Indonesian citizenship. It may be the very reason why he has hidden his Columbia University records.
You have GOT to be kidding.
The man was a genuine "progressive", wanted government run health care, thought the Michael Moore theory of Cuba having the best health care was ACTUALLY TRUE, hated free enterprise, wanted the government to run business, plus he was a social liberal.
Other than that, maybe he belonged on this site.........
Thank you.
People need to stop and think about what the Framers were trying to accomplish with the NBC clause.
They were attempting to screen out and disallow any person with divided loyalties from assuming the office of President. The simplest way to do that, was to restrict the office to those citizens who were naturally attached to the country through the circumstance of their birth. It makes perfect sense that such people's first allegiance would be to our country, and to our people.
I said earlier that it would have been a stroke of genius for the Framers to attach an addendum to the Constitution which explained their reasoning for every Article, Section, and Clause. That act could have saved our country centuries of argument over the Constitution's true meaning, and would probably even have prevented the country from drifting so far from our founding principles.
Unfortunately, they assumed that the plain language of the day was sufficient for any person to grasp what sort of government they'd created. In hindsight, we see that it is not.
In the case of the eligibility requirements for the office of President, what's paramount is the individual's loyalty to our country and the Constitution. If that question can be answered in the affirmative for someone seeking the office, then the Framers' intent is satisfied. I believe that's the case with Ted Cruz, who I have no doubt, the Framers would unanimously approve of.
Yeah, but he was interesting. And boy could he spin up people incapable of articulating or defending their positions. Fun to watch.
I enjoyed messing up his own peculiar (aka "progressive") ideas while posting with him, for some reason he actually told me what he believed; he didn't like so much to have the tables turned on him, but was a good sport about it.
As I remember, he self banned, meaning he got sick of the "natural born" threads about Obama. I think he could still come back and post, I don't think he was ever zotted by JR.
McCain’s father was in Panama serving in his country’s service. That’s another difference.
It WAS surprising to me that he would openly post back and forth to me about so many issues as a progressive (aka totalitarian leftist), and that he was zotted only after he asked for it.
Interesting guy. I do admit to poking a lot of fun at his true beliefs, I think I was a kind of Parsifal to him in return. Like I said, with me at least, he was a good sport, he handled my mostly on target missiles with self deprecating humor.
But he’s a freshman senator, with little or no experience in government...oh, yeah.
I think he’s had some real jobs
If he wasn’t a U.S. Citizen he could not have attended the Punahou School in Honolulu from 5th grade through 12th, Occidental College, Columbia or Harvard Law without having and then renewing F-1 (foreign student) student visas.
Go Cruz Go!
He’s make a GRATE President!
It is just my personal opinion, but I believe that natural born citizenship is derived when both parents are citizens at the time of birth. Not wanting to start any war here, but because of that understanding, I do not believe that Ted Cruz is eligible to be president.
On the other hand, I also believe that Barack Obama was not constitutionally qualified to be president. If I belief that Obama was not qualified, I can not then declare Cruz to be qualified and be intellectually honest.
Now, if the Supreme Court were to decide that constitutional question, one way or another, then I would be satisfied. Or if congress were to draft laws determining what constitutes a natural born citizen, then I again, would be satisfied.
Once again, I say this is my personal opinion based upon my simple reading of the constitution. If other parties disagree, so be it.
“His father’s Kenyan birth should have disqualified him.”
Quite so. And the fact of the natural born citizen standard having been waived for Obama has rendered it a moot point henceforth, forevermore.
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