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Gun control advocates in Westborough call for common ground with opponents
The Community Advocate ^ | 10/22/13 | Swinconeck

Posted on 10/22/2013 6:31:40 AM PDT by pabianice

Congressman Jim McGovern speaks Oct. 13 at the Forum on Preventing Gun Violence in Westborough. McGovern said that extreme factions in the gun lobby have prevented meaningful gun control legislation.

Congressman Jim McGovern speaks Oct. 13 at the Forum on Preventing Gun Violence in Westborough. McGovern said that extreme factions in the gun lobby have prevented meaningful gun control legislation. Photo/John Swinconeck

By John Swinconeck, Contributing Writer

Westborough – Speaking at the Forum on Preventing Gun Violence at Congregation B’nai Shalom in Westborough Oct. 13, U.S. Rep. Jim McGovern (D- 2nd District), said there needs to be a broader coalition of responsible gun owners to lessen gun violence.

McGovern called on gun owners to “stand up” to extremism “by taking a public stand on sensible legislation that doesn’t take away their constitutional rights.”

The congressman also repeated a call for tighter restrictions on sales at gun shows, mandates for background checks, and bans on certain types of weapons. McGovern decried the failure of the House and Senate to provide stricter gun regulations in wake of the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, blaming pressure from “extreme” elements of the gun lobby.

“It is the extreme elements of these groups that are calling the shots. [National Rifle Association Executive Vice President] Wayne LaPierre, I think, is nuts, and I know people in the NRA who cringe whenever he stands up,” McGovern said.

McGovern said moderate congressmen need “political coverage” against voter and gun lobby backlash to allow them to “vote a different way.”

“People in Washington fall all over themselves to see who is the most extreme,” he said, adding: “We have a gun lobby that gets nervous when doctors ask patients if there’s a gun in the house. Even that’s controversial, and that’s not even about changing the law.”

“Our challenge is to reach out to those people who are gun owners in an effort to take responsible steps to prevent gun violence,” McGovern said, in order to “depolarize” the debate over gun control. “The mainstream is not represented in Washington and not represented in our laws.”

He continued: “I do respect the Constitution. I’m not saying take your firearm away, but there are responsible constraints on freedom. … We’re talking about rationality and what’s reasonable. In this debate, those two things have been sacrificed.”

Whether McGovern can be the man who reaches out to gun control opponents is questionable. McGovern has an “F” rating from the National Rifle Association, according to VoteSmart.org, and from the Northborough-based Gun Owners’ Action League (GOAL).

Efforts to reach a GOAL representative for comment were unsuccessful.

“My plea here is we need to figure out a way to broaden our coalition, to start bringing in people who have a differing opinion but have a lot in common with us,” McGovern said.

Dr. Michael P. Hirsch, a pediatric specialist at UMass Memorial in Worcester and founder of that city’s Goods for Guns firearm buy-back program, also spoke at the forum. He began the program in 2000 to allow firearm owners the opportunity to exchange their weapon for gift certificates. Since then, the buyback, held every December, has collected more than 2,000 firearms and distributed more than 750 trigger locks, according to UMass Medical Center’s website.

Hirsch said his inspiration comes in part from the memory of a colleague who was shot and killed in 1981. Since then, however, Hirsch said that American society has become “almost immune” to news of mass shootings such as the Newtown Massacre and the recent shooting at the Washington shipyard.

Hirsch praised the city of Worcester for having the lowest rates of penetrating trauma injuries per capita of any Massachusetts city. He attributed Worcester’s success to what he called an “extremely progressive” police department that is “very selective on who gets a gun permit.”

Hirsch also added that he “had nothing but respect for responsible gun owners,” adding that gun ownership is “intrinsic to America’s pioneer heritage.” However, he decried the level of unsecured firearms that exist.

David Hemenway, a professor of Health Policy and director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, said that attitudes –”social norms” must change in order for gun violence to abate. He used America’s changing attitude over the decades toward automobile safety as a comparison. Roads and vehicles have been made safer to help compensate for driver error. Meanwhile, pressures against drunk drivers increased through grassroots organizations such as Mothers Against Drunk Driving.

“Thirty years ago, drunk driving was considered OK,” Hemenway said. “Then we had a real social movement.”

Hemenway also criticized the U.S. for having the most permissive and weakest gun laws in any democratized industrial country.

Many who spoke at the forum, like Hirsch, had their lives touched by gun violence. Ilyse Levine-Kanji, chair of the Westborough School Committee, said she lost her grandfather in 1977, and her mentor, Jack Berman, in the infamous 101 California Street shooting in 1993.

“The gun lobby is vocal, but the majority want to support reasonable gun safety legislation,” said Levine-Kanji.

B’nai Shalom’s Rabbi Rachel Gurevitz said that there was a “moral and ethical obligation to speak up and act” regarding gun violence.


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1 posted on 10/22/2013 6:31:40 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Laws do not work.

I guess he didn’t get the Chicago Memo.


2 posted on 10/22/2013 6:43:55 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (dont worry about Mexico, put the fence around kalifornia.)
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To: pabianice

There is no common ground with totalitarian control fanatics.

If they don’t like guns, nobody is forcing them to buy them, unlike 0bunga-care.


3 posted on 10/22/2013 6:44:11 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: pabianice

The title should say, “Yids Promote Gun Control and Totalitarianism.”


4 posted on 10/22/2013 6:47:55 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (IÂ’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: pabianice
Whattaya expect from a talk by a guy named "McGovern" given in a synagogue????

I was sort of shocked a couple of weeks back when the Tacoma Tribune actually had an editorial basically saying that the problem wasn't guns, but mental cases that should be locked up out walking around off their meds, and that we needed to do more on the mental health aspect.

5 posted on 10/22/2013 6:55:02 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: pabianice

His comparison to drunk drivers is nonsense.

This social movement he’s talking about is against people that drink excessively and then endanger lives by driving.

You cannot compare this to gun owners to stay within the law and endanger no one’s life except the criminal.


6 posted on 10/22/2013 6:58:42 AM PDT by redfreedom (Republicans = The faux conservative wing of the democrat party.)
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To: pabianice
When a Gay State Maoist calls for “common ground” that means “you agree with us or will beat you into submission”.I know....I've lived here for 6+ decades.
7 posted on 10/22/2013 7:01:13 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: pabianice

ExtremeExtremeExtremeExtremeExtremeExtremeExtremeExtremeExtremeExtremeExtremeExtremeExtremeExtreme


8 posted on 10/22/2013 7:01:29 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: pabianice

or will beat = or we will beat


9 posted on 10/22/2013 7:02:13 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: pabianice
extreme factions in the gun lobby have prevented meaningful gun control legislation

Given the plain wording of the 2nd Amendment, extreme gun lobbying would be demanding that illegal alien gangs and Somali Islamists should be given poison gas and nerve agents by a program of government grants and training in their use.

10 posted on 10/22/2013 7:04:53 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: pabianice

Time to compromise. At least, for them it’s time. I’m done giving ground for no real gain.

Here’s my stance in a nutshell, as penned by one of my favorite Authors...

“Every man, woman, and responsible child has a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right to obtain, own, and carry, openly or concealed, any weapon — handgun, shotgun, rifle, machinegun, anything — any time, anywhere, without asking anyone’s permission.
— L. Neil Smith, The Atlanta Declaration “

Anything that detracts from that is instantly off the table as far as I’m concerned.


11 posted on 10/22/2013 7:05:34 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Whattaya expect from a talk by a guy named "McGovern" given in a synagogue????

OK,let's not go overboard here.Just a few months ago I attended a talk at a suburban Boston synagogue given by Mark Steyn.Yes,*that* Mark Steyn...and he was,BTW,outstanding.Even better than when he fills in for Rush.Before he spoke the congregation's Rabbi spoke and he,too,was outstanding.He's clearly a friend of ours.That synagogue,IIRC,books many conservative writers,commentators and pundits to speak so...there are always exceptions.

12 posted on 10/22/2013 7:07:52 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: Dead Corpse

“Every man, woman, and responsible child has a ...Constitutional right to obtain, own, and carry, openly or concealed, any weapon — handgun, shotgun, rifle, machinegun, anything — any time, anywhere, without asking anyone’s permission.”

The constitution says “arms”, not semi-automatic rifles, or pistols, so plainly, if you believe we have a constitutional right to “bear arms” then you are correct that there is no constitutional limitation as to what we should be able to possess and use. I don’t know why the NRA and other supporters of the Second Amendment have allowed the debate to be merely about the rights to own assault weapons and the like. They should know better.


13 posted on 10/22/2013 7:25:55 AM PDT by paristexas
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To: paristexas

Arms. Armaments. Essentially, anything that you could use as a weapon for the purpose of defense of yourself, your family, your property, or your Nation.

So yes, everything up to and including multi-billion dollar Destroyers and Aircraft carriers.

If you can afford to buy it on your own, store it safely without infringing on your Neighbors equal Rights to their property, and can use it without harming anyone other than your attacker? Go for it.

Before folks say, “Is this guy nuts? Why would we let people own nukes?” I can think of any number of things civilians could do with privately owned nukes. From asteroid mining to nuclear propulsion devices currently outlawed by our Federal government.


14 posted on 10/22/2013 7:47:03 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: pabianice

You ****ing communists get this and get this good... OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS ARE UNALIENABLE AND WE WILL NOT NEGOTIATE ANY INFRINGEMENT!


15 posted on 10/22/2013 7:52:21 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: pabianice

Exactly what “law” will the non-law-abiding be subject to, Mister Compromise?


16 posted on 10/22/2013 7:54:38 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: LibLieSlayer

You used that word... “unalienable”...

I think the left needs to understand what that means.

It means we can’t give it away even if we wanted to. It’s inherent.


17 posted on 10/22/2013 7:56:01 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: pabianice

Any compromise with evil is a loss for good.

I will not compromise...there is no “common ground” with evil.


18 posted on 10/22/2013 7:59:01 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: pabianice

Hey MAC!

“meaningful gun control legislation” is already on the books!!

YOU are not ENFORCING THE LAWS WE HAVE!!

PUT THE CRIMINALS IN JAIL!!!!

THAT is all that needs to change to control gun violence!!!!


19 posted on 10/22/2013 8:00:44 AM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: SZonian

Actually we are already standing on common ground.
It’s called the Constitution although they seem to
think it’s just something to wipe your feet on.


20 posted on 10/22/2013 8:03:35 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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