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To: driftdiver; kempster

I agree with the sentiment behind this, but the fact is that you can have a family with ten children, all but one turn out decent, and that kid will be problematic.

It doesn’t matter if it’s drugs, stealing, capital crimes, or something like homosexuality. It’s impossible to tell why so many kids turn out great, and a few don’t growing up in the same family environment.


17 posted on 10/20/2013 4:37:26 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (People will retain the power to control the Government, or it will retain the power to control them.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Yes there are always exceptions.


21 posted on 10/20/2013 4:53:45 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: DoughtyOne; driftdiver; kempster
Almost all the "gay kids of famous conservatives" we know of --- kids of Phyllis Schlafly, Dick Cheney, Alan Keyes, Randall Terry, Christine O'Donnell (?) (I'm not sure I've got all those names right, but more could be added) ---were raised by conservative Christian parents, and have sexually normal brothers and sisters as well.

I'm not sure sexual orientation comes from early family life. I'm informed there's a cluster of factors that tend to nudge a young person in that direction; pretty sure also that there's a lot more going on that we don't understand yet.

It's inaccurate and unjust to blame good, caring, decent fathers and mothers for homosexual offspring.

And none of this "forces" or "requires" a person to actually commit sodomy. That's behavior; conduct; a choice; it's another thing altogether.

25 posted on 10/20/2013 5:26:07 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("If I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing." - 1 Cor. 13:2)
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To: DoughtyOne

I have seen it many times. Parents are very conscientious for the first children, the consistency starts to wear down as they get older. Parents start to drop the ball and take their eye off the prize. The rules become lax and the child starts to experiment with people and things foreign to the others.


27 posted on 10/20/2013 5:27:18 PM PDT by kempster
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To: DoughtyOne

Not even identical twins have exactly the same environment conditions. Family order can determine character traits which can lead to major differences between siblings. Peer acceptance is major too. Nurture and environment can never be separated.

Attachment Theory decides the mental, and even the physical health of children to a large extent. Studies on foster children prove it, as do all studies on adult deviance which pinpoint addictions and dysfunctional behaviors to abuse in early childhood.

Now they say that most addictions are caused from emotional abuse in early childhood-—that the inability to turn off those “stress” regulators——which only is done by adults in the first few years of life because of helplessness—if adults neglected their cries/emotional needs (touch) that their stress levels constantly elevates affects the limbic area of the brain. Children who are neglected have emotional issues that are easily noticed by early ages-—and if no therapy, they will become worse—and addicts. Without love and nurture, it is impossible for children to be able to be self-regulatory—to control their emotions without drugs-—which is a learned ability. All Virtue is learned and habituated....it is not innate. All humans need love in early life and need to learn empathy—or they will not be “human”. All is learned.

Sexual identity formation is fixated with abuse and emotional belittling-—which is trickier in boys since they have to break away from the mother to re-identify with their father when they discover they are male. That is easy to warp-—like with the homosexual Samurai-—or boys in Afghanistan-—who are in harems-—it is easy to warp perceptions in children. Sexualization of children destroys normal sexual identity formation. Sex Ed was a Marxist construct to collapse Christianity and Western Civ. It corrupts their innocence which is necessary for dignity and respect of opposite sex. Without awe and mystery—there is no dignity—man is reduced to animal. There is no “homosexual” gene. It is an immature fixation in Latency-—usually from sexual abuse like with Chastity Bono and Harry Hay—but emotional/peer abuse can warp perceptions of self and desires also. Sometimes the emotional abuse is worse and more destructive than actual physical abuse.

I always laugh at the idea that homosexuality isn’t “learned”-—it is like saying that baby rapers were born with this “desire” to rape babies. It is such a lie-—it is childhood abuse which creates such sick “desires”/”fixations”. That is all it is. The sex instinct is so powerful that when it is warped in childhood it does severe damage-—like with all the Serial Killers who are/were sexual perverts.

It is a “learned” situation from the earliest interactions with adults who are supposed to care for them.....detached, abusive parents almost always create dysfunctional deviant children, unless they have an adult who interferes and rescues them.


34 posted on 10/20/2013 5:39:04 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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