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A Chevy Impala That Goes 500 Miles On A Tank? With Natural Gas, It's Possible
Forbes ^ | 10/16/2013 | Joann Muller

Posted on 10/17/2013 6:06:17 AM PDT by thackney

Capitalizing on America’s abundant supply of clean-burning, low-cost natural gas, General Motors said Wednesday it will build a Chevrolet Impala sedan that can operate on either gasoline or compressed natural gas and travel up to 500 miles between fill-ups.

The bi-fuel Impala, which goes on sale summer as a 2015 model, could be the start of something big. Honda Motor has been selling a natural gas-powered Civic since 2011 and while still modest, sales have been steadily rising. The Japanese carmaker is on track to sell about 2,500 CNG Civics this year, up from 1,900 in 2012 and 1,200 the year before. In July, Ford Motor said its most popular vehicle, the F-150 pickup, will be offered with a compressed natural gas engine starting in the 2014 model year.

“Natural gas will grow increasingly attractive as an alternative fuel source, as we’ve seen each year with natural gas Honda Civic sales, particularly in areas like California where HOV lane access is available,” said Alec Gutierrez, senior analyst for Kelley Blue Book. “The lack of infrastructure remains a hurdle, but if more automakers begin to offer CNG-powered vehicles, we could see a greater push for access to CNG in the years to come.”

The Impala’s bi-fuel powertrain is engineered to switch seamlessly from CNG to gasoline, which should reassure consumers worried about finding a place to refuel. For business fleet customers, whose drivers return to a central location, CNG refueling shouldn’t be a problem. GM did not announce the new car’s price, which is likely to be higher than the standard gas model, but savings at the pump could offset that extra payout quickly.

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1 posted on 10/17/2013 6:06:17 AM PDT by thackney
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To: thackney

And in an accident it will break into 500 pieces and go 500 feet in every direction.


2 posted on 10/17/2013 6:09:22 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: thackney

Already well underway. I know a company that is doing quite well converting commercial fleets to run on LNG. Between the lower cost and the cleaner burn, resulting in less engine wear, the ROI is pretty dramatic.


3 posted on 10/17/2013 6:10:14 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: thackney

Not the first time this has been done, of course. My BF has two bi-fuel Chevys, both Cavaliers, from the early 2000s. They were commonly used as fleet cars for government agencies, but I guess they proved impractical at the time and were auctioned off.

The computers regulating the natural gas switchover in his cars went bad long ago, so now he just runs them on regular gasoline.


4 posted on 10/17/2013 6:10:51 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Democrats: The perfect party for the helpless and stupid, and those who would rule over them.)
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To: thackney

Yeah....really believable - from the people that brought you the destruction of free-enterprise, legal interest in financial assets, pandering to Unions and their medical plan, et al....

They lied, LIED about Volt’s efficacy, its financing, its value, its performance - everything....Just because you slap the name “Impala” on it ain’t gonna cut it this time, GM. Choke on your cars and trucks.


5 posted on 10/17/2013 6:12:21 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: thackney

This is easy to do, they just make the fuel tank larger.

I could build one that could go a thousand miles, but wouldn’t have a back seat, and the springs would have to be stronger.


6 posted on 10/17/2013 6:13:33 AM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: George from New England
And in an accident it will break into 500 pieces and go 500 feet in every direction.

We have been using compressed natural gas for decades in highway vehicles. The crash test data, and actual crashes, proves your made up claim false.

Carbon fiber tanks designed to withstand 4,000 psi or more are quite strong and don't shatter.

7 posted on 10/17/2013 6:16:37 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: George from New England

And in an accident it will break into 500 pieces and go 500 feet in every direction.

These pieces will go in excess of 500 MPH. I had a 79 Vega that got 35MPG at interstate speed limit. I often stopped to get gas just to stretch my legs and get something to drink. 500 miles in one setting is cruel and usual punishment.


8 posted on 10/17/2013 6:16:38 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: George from New England
And in an accident it will break into 500 pieces and go 500 feet in every direction.

Nope. Hundreds of thousands of these cars are in operation (they are somewhat common in South America, which has plenty of car accidents). It doesn't happen. You can't compare what happens with an enclosed small tank with a six in natural gas feeder line. The auto insurance companies do not charge appreciably more for insuring CNG fueled cars.
9 posted on 10/17/2013 6:22:54 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: mountainlion; George from New England

Is CNG safe?
http://www.oringcngfuelsystems.com/is-cng-safe/

The answer to this is, unequivocally, yes CNG is a safe form of energy. However, there are many myths out there regarding the dangers of CNG and we would like to discuss those here. For a visual demonstration of just how safe CNG is, please check out these three videos: (at link above)

Gun Test on Natural Gas Tank

Dynamite Test on Natural Gas Tank

Severe Abuse Test on Natural Gas Tank


10 posted on 10/17/2013 6:23:00 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Venturer

lol

VW made a splash with the Passat turbodiesel, able to do 700 miles on one tank of fuel. Perhaps jealous, Mercedes has recently introduced the E250 diesel, a sedan that can travel a bladder-busting 800 miles on a single tank.


11 posted on 10/17/2013 6:23:20 AM PDT by hlmencken3 (Originalist on the the 'general welfare' clause? No? NOT an originalist!)
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To: thackney

A 1997 to 2001 Camry 4 cylinder will go 600 miles on a tank. 41 MPG at 75 MPH. I have done it many times. The newer ones are too heavy and have too much frontal area to do that good.


12 posted on 10/17/2013 6:23:57 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: Gaffer
Yeah....really believable - from the people that brought you the destruction of free-enterprise, legal interest in financial assets, pandering to Unions and their medical plan, et al....

I don't know if the Impala is any good, but the technology is proven. It is a LOT simpler (and cheaper)to take a good ol' combustion engine and make modifications to run on CNG then to design a car that carries around enough battery juice to propel it 300 miles.
13 posted on 10/17/2013 6:25:24 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: Gaffer
Government Motors. What no one mentions is the cost of the energy it takes to compress the natural gas. That being said, LNG is going to be the future for road vehicles and much more - IMO
14 posted on 10/17/2013 6:27:23 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: thackney
Big deal...I used to have an '86 Chevy Corvette that could go over 500 miles on a tank (20 gallon tank, 28 mpg at highway speeds).
15 posted on 10/17/2013 6:27:40 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Venturer

Back in the early 70s, when the oil embargo hit, GM began working on a 40 gallon gas tank for the full size cars but the govt put the kibosh on it.


16 posted on 10/17/2013 6:28:47 AM PDT by nascarnation (Frequently wrong but rarely in doubt....)
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To: atc23
What no one mentions is the cost of the energy it takes to compress the natural gas.

That is part of the CNG price as it is sold. Just like we don't need to discuss the cost of refining crude into gasoline, the cost is built into the price of the fuel.

http://www.cngprices.com/station_map.php,/a>

17 posted on 10/17/2013 6:30:40 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Gaffer

Ok, the green liars lied about the volt.

Being conservative does not mean hating green if it makes free market sense.

Note: Honda has been making, selling, and profiting from a CNG Civic for a couple years now without any subsidies.


18 posted on 10/17/2013 6:31:07 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: atc23

No one mentions it because it is of course included in the price you pay.


19 posted on 10/17/2013 6:33:13 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: thackney

The other advantage to CNG that no one every mentions is the storage of it. Typically around here when a gas station needs to replace their gasoline storage tanks the company goes out of business. Replacement of the tanks is very expensive. IF a gasoline storage tank ever leaks, it becomes an EPA superfund site. The owners of the station almost always end up declaring bankruptcy. If a CNG tank ever leaks it then just vents into the atmosphere.


20 posted on 10/17/2013 6:33:23 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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