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Five thoughts on the Obamacare disaster [the author of this is a liberal]
Washington Post ^ | October 14, 2013 | Ezra Klein

Posted on 10/15/2013 4:21:24 AM PDT by grundle

1. So far, the Affordable Care Act's launch has been a failure. Not "troubled." Not "glitchy." A failure. But "so far" only encompasses 14 days. The hard question is whether the launch will still be floundering on day 30, and on day 45.

2. According to Bob Laszlewski, those problems aren't resolved.

3. What didn't the White House know and when didn't they know it?

4. One thing has gone abundantly right for the Affordable Care Act: The Republican Party. Their decision to shut down the government on the exact day the health-care law launched was a miracle for the White House. If Republicans had simply passed a clean-CR on Oct. 1 these last few weeks would've been nothing -- nothing at all -- save for coverage of the health-care law's disaster. Instead the law has been knocked off the front page by coverage of the Republican Party's disaster.

5. This isn't about politics. A lot of liberals will be angry over this post. A lot of conservatives will be happy about it. But it's important to see the Affordable Care Act as something more than a pawn in the political wars: It's a real law that real people are desperately, nervously, urgently trying to access. And so far, the Obama administration has failed them.

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To: grundle

I don’t understand. The pull line here is: If the GOP didn’t do everything in their power to stop the garbage ACA from becoming entrenched into our society, then everyone would know how crappy the law was? This is how DC people think? The real world does not work like this. Bad ideas are stopped before they become “go forward” plans. The real issue is the corruptio of the meadia...who are supposed to inform the public of the problems with the ACA and then explain why the GOP feels so passionately about stopping it. If anyone is to blame for the mess were in, it’s the media....after President Obama. Everyone is just so self absorbed with the story, no one has a freakin’ clue!!!

This econmy is going to collapse due to poorly run programs like Obamacare which will never add up. Social Security, Welfare, and Medicare don’t add up either. For some reason, stating this blatently obvious fact is some how ‘arson’ or ‘terrorism?’ The world has gone freakin’ crazy.

Obama will probably end up with another trillion in debt cap relief and 13 months from now he’ll want another trillion. At that time, the Tea Party folks will once again say, “Shouldn’t we maybe try to get a handle on tis spending?” and, once again, Obama will call us arsonist and the media will call us extreme and out of touch!

Here’s the real fact, the TEA party is not going to get smaller and fade away. It’s going to get bigger and more influential. It won’t be because of some big political conversion, either. It’ll be because the math simply demands that this will happen.


21 posted on 10/15/2013 5:11:50 AM PDT by Mustangman (The GOP)
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To: grundle
Actually it is a pretend law that required extra-Constitutional activities to implement. The law was passed without reading it, bribes were used to pass it, and special considerations were given to certain states who were waffling. Some religions and Unions were exempted.

The SCOTUS violated the "origination" concept of the creation of taxes - taxes can only originate in the House. But, in this case, it came to the SCOTUS as a mandate to purchase a product or service and SCOTUS tortuously morphed it into a tax.

Then, after the President signed it, he changed some sections, refused to enforce some sections, and delayed some sections - all in violation of the law itself, and breaking other laws and Constitutional processes. It is not even the same law Roberts ruled on, it has change so much.

It is not the Law of the Land, it is a Law of Won Man.

The nation is going through the puking, shakes, sweating, and convulsions of Hopium withdrawal. Let's detox the country of this dangerous social drug. Let the healing begin before a second Civil War starts.

Where is the second fight in front of SCOTUS? If we are stuck with this law for 3 more years, there won't be a country left to save. We can't wait in hopes of a Republican President - we need to act NOW.

22 posted on 10/15/2013 5:13:58 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: grundle
For some reason the system is enrolling, unenrolling, enrolling again, and so forth the same person. This has been going on for a few days for many of the enrollments being sent to the health plans. It has got on to the point that the health plans worry some of these very few enrollments really don’t exist.

So the 50K enrollments touted by the regime, which is a pathetic number to begin with, might actually be 50K enrollments and 49K of un-enrollments.

23 posted on 10/15/2013 5:24:30 AM PDT by Flick Lives (The U.S. is dead to me.)
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To: grundle

Where is the Master of the Obvious picture?

As for the Republicans, if the GOPe had not been curled up under their desks in a fetal position trying to figure out how to surrender, and instead had been shouting from the mountain tops “See, we were right!”, they could have swung public opinion.


24 posted on 10/15/2013 5:30:24 AM PDT by magellan
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To: FES0844
Democrats in the house & senate...

Are there none who will put country before party?

I keep hoping some will stand up & denounce what is happening to our country.

None have the cahones to stand up to the thugs in their party (Harry and Nancy). ObamaCare was mis-labeled. It should be HarryCare. His staff wrote the bill. He strong-armed, bought-off, threatened enough Democrats, and finagled the rules to get it passed. Harry should be prosecuted under the RICO laws. One other benefit to calling it HarryCare - the MSM can't call you a racist if you oppose it.

25 posted on 10/15/2013 5:47:31 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: grundle
From the article and, apparently, from some other alternate universe inhabited by wishful thinking libs:

"Instead, Republicans managed to make themselves so unpopular that they've actually made the law more popular. Many Americans believe, reasonably but wrongly, that the reason Obamacare isn't working is that the Republicans shut the government down. And if the Affordable Care Act does begin to improve in the coming weeks Republicans will have lost their chance to harm it."

I've done a lot of reading about the Obamacare rollout including Twitter and Facebook comments and I have yet to see anyone blaming the Republicans for the problems. Of course I don't read anything spoken or written by Pelosi so I could have missed it.

26 posted on 10/15/2013 5:56:30 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (e)
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To: SERKIT; Mustangman
Two outstanding posts.

It's nice to see FR getting juiced again.

27 posted on 10/15/2013 6:00:44 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: Mustangman
The magnitude of this failure is stunning.

This statement, from a liberal, is "stunning".

We had the drive bys at first tout Obama's line that the problems were "glitches" that would be deftly and quickly remedied. Instead, problems have worsened and grown to other issues besides just website accessibility. Now, the drive bys are acknowledging that it's a cluster, but they're blaming the GOP for changing the subject.

I don't know what more the GOP could have done to call attention to it. Did Klein miss Cruz's 21 hour stand on the Senate floor? One major reason a clean bill has not been passed is the insistence that changes need to be made to it.

It is breath taking that no matter how horribly Obama screws up, it's somehow always the fault of the GOP.

28 posted on 10/15/2013 6:03:07 AM PDT by randita
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To: Flick Lives

More like 10K enrollments...then unenrollments...then re enrollment X 5...to get to 50K


29 posted on 10/15/2013 6:07:55 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Old Yeller

But they’re OK with that.
After all, the elite progressives that get elected are superior, both ethically and intellectually,

so it’s OK if they have more control.


30 posted on 10/15/2013 6:15:48 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Doogle; GeronL; Revolting cat!
Odungo was warned by a rat senator six months ago that the program was not ready...but the petulant little boy king stomped his delicate little foot in a juvenile fit and insisted that it go on line

I saw this same attitude in the 1990s in the computer industry when problems between memory manufacturers, processor companies, and Microsoft led to glitchy behavior in testing situations (some memory manufacturers were more reliable than others, but the whole thing was a house of cards with problems at the processor and OS level as well). The decision was to meet the street date as announced because the competition had the same problems and you didn't want to "not seem ready".

31 posted on 10/15/2013 6:31:07 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: GOPJ

“He thinks conservatives will be happy about this article?”

Projection.


32 posted on 10/15/2013 6:44:47 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (My sweet talk is also savory and creamy.)
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To: FES0844
Democrats in the house & senate... Are there none who will put country before party?

No! Just as there are damned few Republicans willing to put aside their personal power and prestige for the good of the country.

Thank God for Cruz and Lee!

33 posted on 10/15/2013 6:45:07 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: grundle

There are no millions waiting to sign up.

Just like there weren’t for the chronic expensive health conditions exchanges that were supposed to solve the world’s problems two years ago.

They shut those exchanges down. They’ll have to shut these down too.


34 posted on 10/15/2013 7:05:47 AM PDT by GEC (We're not drilling in ANWR because...)
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To: grundle

He’s complaining about technical glitches. This is not an issue of software development:

IT’S ABOUT SOCIALISM AND TOTALITARIAN CONTROL OVER DECISONS OF LIFE AND DEATH.


35 posted on 10/15/2013 7:15:02 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: pgkdan

I agree! And I do thank God for Cruz & Lee!!


36 posted on 10/15/2013 8:19:21 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

You’re right - or he’s nuts.

Here’s another ‘unintended consequence’ of ObamaCare: deductibles are so high doctors charge for services BEFORE you see the doctor. NO PAY NO PLAY

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-14/patients-pay-before-seeing-doctor-as-deductibles-spread.html


37 posted on 10/15/2013 8:52:08 AM PDT by GOPJ (Brieitbart sent me... Freeper newfreep)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

You’re right - or he’s nuts.

Here’s another ‘unintended consequence’ of ObamaCare: deductibles are so high doctors charge for services BEFORE you see the doctor. NO PAY NO PLAY

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-14/patients-pay-before-seeing-doctor-as-deductibles-spread.html

I suspect this started with the government ‘Advantage Plans’ that have low monthly premiums - and VERY high deductibles in many cases... A rip off plan if you actually get sick. The only plan worth having is Medigap Plan F - covers all excess charges. (there are two ‘F’ plans - choose the one with NO deductible) It’s a plan you’ll never see advertised.


38 posted on 10/15/2013 8:56:49 AM PDT by GOPJ (Brieitbart sent me... Freeper newfreep)
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To: grundle
The media trying to cover up Obamacare's shortcomings.


39 posted on 10/15/2013 9:00:41 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: GOPJ

“You’re right - or he’s nuts.”

Those two choices are not mutually exclusive.


40 posted on 10/15/2013 10:03:50 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (My sweet talk is also savory and creamy.)
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