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Is Red State America seceding?
humanevents.com ^ | 10/11/2013 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 10/11/2013 7:47:11 PM PDT by kindred

In the last decade of the 20th century, as the Soviet Empire disintegrated so, too, did that prison house of nations, the USSR.

Out of the decomposing carcass came Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Moldova, all in Europe; Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan in the Caucasus; and Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan in Central Asia.

Transnistria then broke free of Moldova, and Abkhazia and South Ossetia fought free of Georgia.

Yugoslavia dissolved far more violently into the nations of Serbia, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Macedonia and Kosovo.

The Slovaks seceded from Czechoslovakia. Yet a Europe that plunged straight to war after the last breakup of Czechoslovakia in 1938 and 1939 this time only yawned. Let them go, all agreed.

The spirit of secession, the desire of peoples to sever ties to nations to which they have belonged for generations, sometimes for centuries, and to seek out their own kind, is a spreading phenomenon.

Scotland is moving toward a referendum on independence from England, three centuries after the Acts of Union. Catalonia pushes to be free of Madrid. Milanese and Venetians see themselves as a European people apart from Sicilians, Neapolitans and Romans.

Dutch-speaking Flanders wants to cut loose of French-speaking Wallonia in Belgium. Francophone Quebec, with immigrants from Asia and the Third World tilting the balance in favor of union, appears to have lost its historic moment to secede from Canada.

What are the forces pulling nations apart? Ethnicity, culture, history and language — but now also economics. And separatist and secessionist movements are cropping up here in the United States.

While many Red State Americans are moving away from Blue State America, seeking kindred souls among whom to live, those who love where they live but not those who rule them are seeking to secede.

The five counties of Western Maryland — Garrett, Allegheny, Washington, Frederick and Carroll, which have more in common with West Virginia and wish to be rid of Baltimore and free of Annapolis, are talking secession.

The issues driving secession in Maryland are gun control, high taxes, energy policy, homosexual marriage and immigration.

Scott Strzelczyk, who lives in the town of Windsor in Carroll County and leads the Western Maryland Initiative, argues: “If you have a long list of grievances, and it’s been going on for decades, and you can’t get it resolved, ultimately [secession] is what you have to do.”

And there is precedent. Four of our 50 states — Maine, Vermont, Kentucky, West Virginia — were born out of other states.

Ten northern counties of Colorado are this November holding non-binding referenda to prepare a future secession from Denver and the creation of America’s 51st state.

Nine of the 10 Colorado counties talking secession and a new state, writes Reid Wilson of the Washington Post — Cheyenne, Kit Carson, Logan, Morgan, Phillips, Sedgwick, Washington, Weld and Yuma — all gave more than 62 percent of their votes to Mitt Romney. Five of these 10 counties gave Romney more than 75 percent of their vote.

Their issues with the Denver legislature: A new gun control law that triggered a voter recall of two Democratic state senators, state restrictions on oil exploration, and the Colorado legislature’s party-line vote in support of gay marriage.

In California, which many have long believed should be split in two, the northern counties of Modoc and Siskyou on the Oregon border are talking succession — and then union in a new state called Jefferson.

“California is essentially ungovernable in its present size,” says Mark Baird of the Jefferson Declaration Committee. Baird hopes to attract a dozen counties to join together before petitioning the state to secede.

Like the western Maryland and northern Colorado counties, the northern California counties are conservative, small town, rural, and have little in common with San Francisco or Los Angeles, or Sacramento, where Republicans hold not one statewide office and are outnumbered better than 2-1 in both houses of the state legislature.

Folks on the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, bordered by Wisconsin and the Great Lakes, which is connected to lower Michigan by a bridge, have long dreamed of a separate state called Superior. The UP has little in common with Lansing and nothing with Detroit.

While the folks in western Maryland, northern Colorado, northern California and on the Upper Peninsula might be described as Red State secessionists, in Vermont the secessionists seem of the populist left. The Montpelier Manifesto of the Second Vermont Republic concludes:

“Citizens, lend your names to this manifesto and join in the honorable task of rejecting the immoral, corrupt, decaying, dying, failing American Empire and seeking its rapid and peaceful dissolution before it takes us all down with it.”

This sort of intemperate language may be found in Thomas Jefferson’s indictment of George III. If America does not get its fiscal house in order, and another Great Recession hits or our elites dragoon us into another imperial war, we will likely hear more of such talk.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
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I believe that the federal politicians are inept, arrogant and tyrannical despots that need to be replaced with small federal government as at the beginning of our nations. It is a moneypit of thieves, liars and fools who are live a lie and care nothing of people. They must be gone.
1 posted on 10/11/2013 7:47:11 PM PDT by kindred
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To: kindred; RKBA Democrat

Ping!


2 posted on 10/11/2013 7:47:48 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: kindred

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?s=Is+Red+State+America+seceding&ok=Search&q=quick&m=exact&o=time


3 posted on 10/11/2013 7:50:44 PM PDT by upchuck (nobamacare must be stopped before it can live down to our expectations.)
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To: kindred

Does John Galt pay FICA taxes?


4 posted on 10/11/2013 7:51:10 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: kindred

Well I hope so. I’ll be the first to grab my bags and move there. Sick of being here in the land of Fruits and Nuts and sometimes Flakes.


5 posted on 10/11/2013 7:51:31 PM PDT by Patriot Babe
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To: kindred

Like!


6 posted on 10/11/2013 7:51:52 PM PDT by Savage Beast ("We don't need this BLOATED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!! They NEED US!!!!!" ~bandleader)
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To: kindred

Well, I believe that You are dead on right.
So there!


7 posted on 10/11/2013 7:53:36 PM PDT by Tupelo (Snatching Defeat from the jaws of Victory, an old Republican Tradition.)
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To: Tupelo

Amen and may the good Lord Jesus be with the constitutional conservatives and against the hateful and arrogant left.


8 posted on 10/11/2013 7:59:07 PM PDT by kindred ( God is just and the justifier of him that believes in Jesus.)
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To: kindred

The notion of seceding from the Obama-voting, dopehead, fag-marriage “blue” states grows more appealing each and every day. Cut the malignancy from the body, or die. Might be the only option before too long.


9 posted on 10/11/2013 8:00:04 PM PDT by greene66
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To: kindred
 
 
Author has it backwards - the towns, counties & states that have ceased observing and governing under the Constitution and Bill of Rights have set out on their own, away from the rest of the nation. Secession & the breakup of the US has been underway for some time already.
 
 

10 posted on 10/11/2013 8:00:36 PM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: kindred

Rather than gone, I would say remove their power for mischief. Neuter them and restore freedom using the constitutional convention process.


11 posted on 10/11/2013 8:04:46 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: lapsus calami

If someone can declare that the constitution is a living document, then why not the map, too?


12 posted on 10/11/2013 8:06:13 PM PDT by virgil
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To: kindred
A real brick-and-mortar secessionist movement won't get off the ground until a Red State governor (or legislature) actually NULLIFIES a tyrannical federal mandate. As an Arizonan, I was hoping Gov Jan Brewer had the fortitude to do so. I was mistaken.

But I'm an optimist. Yet I'm running out of patience.

13 posted on 10/11/2013 8:09:12 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: kindred
What are the forces pulling nations apart? Ethnicity, culture, history and language — but now also economics.

He's right about the divide, but I think he misses the causes. Culture....maybe, a little, (especially depending on how you define "culture") but the others seem off. I'm thinking more in terms of the degree to which freedom is valued and related issues form the dividing characteristics.

14 posted on 10/11/2013 8:09:34 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: virgil
 
 
That's pretty well what is happening.
 
 

15 posted on 10/11/2013 8:18:47 PM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: kindred

CWII cometh, soon.


16 posted on 10/11/2013 8:20:42 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Americans deserve better than an illegal alien communist from Kenya.)
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To: kindred

Donning fireproof underwear:

In a word, h3!! no. But my sentiments are with the secessionists, indeed. The secession will delay the liberal creep. Story at 11.


17 posted on 10/11/2013 8:20:53 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Producing Talk Show Prep since 1998.)
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To: KC_Lion

One can hope.


18 posted on 10/11/2013 8:23:06 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: kindred
I'm sorry. I am an American and Dan proud of it..

If you want to secede and not support the greatest nation that has ever existed you are a fool.

Idiots all ...

19 posted on 10/11/2013 8:26:46 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: Flycatcher

I believe even South Carolina’s nullification in 1831 required an act of the legislature. An act of any governor to nullify a federal law is despotism.


20 posted on 10/11/2013 8:27:27 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (.You have never tasted freedom, else you would know it is purchased not with gold but with steel)
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