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To: Nero Germanicus

It’s unfortunate you ignored Article 4 of Law No. 62, 1958 which applied to Obama and not Article 2.

Article 4.

(1)A child outside a marriage of a mother who is a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia or a child out of a legal marriage, but who has in a case of divorce been assigned to the care of its mother, a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia, who follows the nationality of the father, a foreigner, may present a petition to the Minister of Justice in order to acquire the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, if, after, having acquired the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, it possesses no other nationality or states at the same time to have released another nationality according to the procedure stipulated by the legal provisions of the country of origin and/or according to the procedure stipulated by the agreement on the settlement of the bi-nationality between the Republic of Indonesia and the country in question.

Obama’s mother obtained Indonesian citizenship through Article 7:

Article 7.

(1)A foreign woman married to a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia, acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, if and when she makes a statement as to that effect within 1 year after contracting said marriage, except in case when she acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia she possesses still another nationality, in which case the statement may not be made.

(2)With the exception as mentioned in para 1 the foreign woman who marries a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia also acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia one year after the marriage has been contracted, if within that one year her husband does not make a statement as to release his citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia.

Said statement may only be made and only results in the loss of the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia if by such a loss the husband does not become stateless.


101 posted on 10/10/2013 6:40:37 PM PDT by SvenMagnussen (1983 ... the year Obama became a naturalized U.S. citizen.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Where is the evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham ever asked for or received Indonesian citizenship?
Where are the adoption papers? Where is the U.S. Certificate of Loss of Nationality for Barack Hussein Obama, II?
“In order for a renunciation of citizenship to be proper, three criteria that must be met are that:
(1) The citizen has unequivocally admitted IN WRITING an intent to lose U.S. citizenship
(2) The renunciation was made at a U.S. diplomatic office outside the U.S. before a U.S. diplomatic officer
(3) The renunciation must be made voluntarily. Grounds for arguing that renunciation was not voluntary are, for example, financial hardship (e.g., the need to get a job in another country) or family pressure.”

Without that evidence, what we are left with is nothing but conjecture.


102 posted on 10/10/2013 8:44:09 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: SvenMagnussen; Nero Germanicus

“Obama’s mother obtained Indonesian citizenship through Article 7:”

Impossible, read Article 7.

“except in case when she acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia she possesses still another nationality”

Stanley Ann married Soetoro in 1965, she would have had to renounce her US citizenship within one year to be able to claim Indonesian citizenship. We know she did not, as she renewed her US Passport in 1968.

Paragraph 2 of Article 7 does not apply to Stanley Ann as she didn’t meet the exception in paragraph 1.


110 posted on 10/11/2013 10:52:30 AM PDT by 4Zoltan
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