Posted on 10/05/2013 8:08:34 AM PDT by IbJensen
Can there be a more fruitful source of dispute, or a kind of dispute more difficult to be settled?
James Madison speaking at the Constitutional Convention of 1787 on the spending bill battles between the House and Senate that would occur.
As the Government Shutdown puppet show continues its run in Washington, D.C., there is power in the Constitution to close down the entire production.
Article I, Section 7 of the Constitution requires that all bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives, but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other bills.
The solution to the ObamaCare funding fiasco is right there in black and white.
If any money is to be spent on anything, the bill must come out of the House of Representatives. If no bill is approved by that body and sent to the Senate, no money may be spent!
Even though he rewrote the ObamaCare legislation in his ruling, Chief Justice John Roberts (and six of his colleagues) held that the individual mandate of ObamaCare was not a constitutional expression of the Commerce Clause, thereby throwing the whole matter back to the House of Representatives and to the states.
As Bubba Atkinson of the Independent Review Journal explains:
Chief Justice Roberts actually ruled the mandate, relative to the commerce clause, was unconstitutional. That is how the Democrats got Obamacare going in the first place. This is critical. His ruling means Congress cant compel American citizens to purchase anything, ever. The notion is now officially and forever, unconstitutional. As it should be.
Next, he stated that, because Congress doesnt have the ability to mandate, it must, to fund Obamacare, rely on its power to tax. Therefore, the mechanism that funds Obamacare is a tax. He struck down as unconstitutional, the Obamacare idea that the federal government can bully states into complying by yanking their existing Medicaid funding. Liberals, through Obamacare, basically said to the states comply with Obamacare or we will stop existing funding. Roberts ruled that is a no-no.
By attaching ObamaCare funding to the overall spending bill, the House turned the issue into the political football that it is today. The whole charade could have been avoided had the House carried out its constitutionally assigned duty of controlling the purse containing the peoples money.
Put another way, had the House of Representatives sent the Senate a bill defunding ObamaCare a so-called stand alone bill then the Senate would have had to accept or refuse it without hooking the ObamaCare wagon to the star of other federal budget items. Accept the defunding bill and ObamaCare is dead. Refuse the ObamaCare defunding bill and the bill goes back to the House where it would be reworked or not. Either way, not a dime is spent on socialized medicine.
And, the best part, there is nothing Harry Reid or Barack Obama could do about it. There is not constitutional authority for the Senate to spend money and the only power the president has over bills is to sign them or veto them.
If the House of Representatives were true to their name representatives! then one of the members would offer a stand-alone bill refusing to spend any of the peoples money on ObamaCare. That bill would be approved and sent to the Senate.
Admittedly, such a bill would be dead on arrival at the Senate and be rejected immediately. That action would send the bill back to the House where it would sit idly, leaving the ObamaCare leviathan inside a constitutional cage, dying of starvation.
These are the constitutional realities of checks and balances. They were written into the Constitution to create the one thing partisans are constantly crying about: gridlock.
In The Federalist, No. 9, Alexander Hamilton pointed to this particularity of the system of government proposed by the constitutional convention of 1787 as the powerful means, by which the excellences of republican government may be retained and its imperfections lessened or avoided.
In that convention in Philadelphia, the Framers adopted the English view that money bills should originate in the House of Commons, the body of representatives believed to be close to the people. In the case of the American Constitution, the source of spending would be the House of Representatives, for the same reason.
There was a more pragmatic aspect to the so-called Origination Clause of Article I, Section 7. Leaving the lower house with exclusive control over the purse strings was a critical compromise between small states and large states, the latter demanding that something be offered them in exchange for equal representation in the Senate.
That something was the reservation of revenue raising in the House of Representatives.
Speaking on the serious crisis of determining which body of the Congress should have power over levying taxes and proposing spending bills, Elbridge Gerry said, Taxation and representation are strongly associated in the minds of the people and they will not agree that any but their immediate representatives shall meddle with their purse. In short, the acceptance of the plan [the Constitution] will inevitably fail if the Senate be not restrained from originating money bills.
The final wording of the clause was actually much tamer than Gerry would have liked. Earlier in the summer, he offered language that would have prevented the Senate from playing any role in proposing, passing, and imposing revenue bills.
It is noteworthy that the man known to history as the Father of the Constitution, James Madison, opposed the granting of exclusive revenue-originating authority to the House of Representatives. He argued that such a separation would lead to injurious altercations.
In this as in so many things, history has proved Madison right.
Writing in the Federalist Papers, though, Madison advocated for a very broad interpretation of the Origination Clause. In The Federalist, No. 58, he wrote:
The House of Representatives cannot only refuse, but they alone can propose, the supplies requisite for the support of government. They, in a word, hold the purse that powerful instrument by which we behold, in the history of the British Constitution, an infant and humble representation of the people gradually enlarging the sphere of its activity and importance, and finally reducing, as far as it seems to have wished, all the overgrown prerogatives of the other branches of the government. This power over the purse may, in fact, be regarded as the most complete and effectual weapon with which any constitution can arm the immediate representatives of the people, for obtaining a redress of every grievance, and for carrying into effect every just and salutary measure.
Why, then, with regard to the defunding of ObamaCare, has the House of Representatives refused to deploy this most complete and effectual weapon"? Why have the peoples representatives surrendered their power to protect the people from this unjust and unsalutary measure? Could the peoples grievances against ObamaCare been any more loudly and clearly communicated to their representatives in Congress?
Americans who oppose ObamaCare and who support the House of Representatives exercise of its power over the purse should contact their congressmen and demand that they offer a stand-alone bill refusing to spend a cent on the presidents socialized medicine scheme. They should let lawmakers know that they are tired of the shutdown shadow boxing and insist that the House immediately throw the Origination Clause haymaker.
Only then will ObamaCare be left penniless and Harry Reid and Barack Obama will be powerless to do anything about it.
So......then.....Sign & Endorse the Lee/Cruz “Defund Obamacare” Petition right now by the millions....and see how quickly the politicians of both parties wipe Obamacare off the map!!! Do it....TODAY!!!
WWW.DONTFUNDOBAMACARE.COM
Obamacare has language in the bill that automatically funds it. There’s no requirement for the House to provide funding. The only way to remove funding is for the a house to pass a bill defunding it, then Senate approval and signature by Obama. Good luck with that.
Hind sight is 20-20... yah, there’s always a better path
Didn’t George W. Bush signs a law passed by a Republican House and Senate that authorized a wall across our southern border?
Didn’t the democrat House that took over in 2009 defund that law?
Where was the ‘outrage’ then by those who clutch their pearls and suffer the vapors at the temerity of the House defunding Obamacare?
signs = sign
US Constitution timeline / scholastic.com
May to September, 1787
A group of men, now known as the Founders, meet to discuss and write the U.S. Constitution.
The 4,543-word document explains how the country's new government will work. It is drafted in less than 100 days. Ben Franklin, George Washington, and James Madison are among the 55 delegates responsible for the document. More than 200 years later, the Constitution remains the highest law of the United States.
September 17, 1787 --- The U.S. Constitution is signed.
Some feared the original Constitution gave the federal government too much power. They demand that changes to the Constitution be made to protect the basic liberties of the people. The first 10 changes to the Constitution are known as the Bill of Rights.
December 15, 1791 --- The Bill of Rights, the first 10 amendments, is ratified.
Among the many liberties guaranteed under the Bill of Rights are the freedom of speech, the freedom of the press, and the freedom of religion.
Over time, 17 more amendments will be added to the Constitution....from 1795-1992.
One Congress cannot bind a future Congress.
They say only 40-50% of the colonists actively participated in the revolutionary war. That turned out badly for the tyrants. Over half the country and soon to be more reject obama and obamacare.
With the nation actively protesting Obamacare, it will not survive for long. It will be torn apart in short order.
The problem with the left is that they don't learn from history and they can't do math. A sure way to live in perpetual pain and disappointment.
And that's fine by me.
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Checks And Balances--The Constitutional Structure For
Limited And Balanced Govt---to guard the people's liberty against govt power.
The Constitution was devised with an ingenious and intricate built-in system of checks and balances to guard the people's liberty against combinations of government power. It structured the Executive, Legislative, and Judiciary separate and wholly independent as to function, but coordinated for proper operation, with safeguards to prevent usurpations of power. Only by balancing each against the other two could freedom be preserved, said John Adams.
Another writer of the day summarized clearly the reasons for such checks and balances:
"If the LEGISLATIVE and JUDICIAL powers are united, the MAKER of the law will also INTERPRET it (constitutionality).
Should the EXECUTIVE and LEGISLATIVE powers be united... the EXECUTIVE power would make itself absolu te, and the government end in tyranny.
Should the EXECUTIVE and JUDICIAL powers be united, the subject (citizen) would then have no permanent security of his person or property.
"INDEED, the dependence of any of these powers upon either of the others ... has so often been productive of such calamities... that the page of history seems to be one continued tale of human wretchedness." (Theophilus Parsons, in ESSEX RESULTS)
What were some of these checks and balances believed so important to individual liberty? Several are listed below:
HOUSE (peoples representatives) is a check on SENATE - no statute becomes law without its approval.
SENATE is a check on HOUSE - no statute becomes law without its approval. (Prior to 17th Amendment, SENATE was appointed by State legislatures as a protection for states' rights - another check the Founders provided.)
EXECUTIVE (President) can restrain both HOUSE and SENATE by using Veto Power.
LEGISLATIVE (Congress - Senate & House) has a check on EXECUTIVE by being able to pass, with 2/3 majority, a bill over President's veto.
LEGISLATIVE has further check on EXECUTIVE through power of discrimination in appropriation of funds for operation of EXECUTIVE.
EXECUTIVE (President) must have approval of SENATE in filling important posts in EXECUTIVE BRANCH.
EXECUTIVE (President) must have approval of SENATE before treaties with foreign nations can be effective.
LEGISLATIVE (Congress) can conduct investigations of EXECUTIVE to see if funds are properly expended and laws enforced.
EXECUTIVE has further check on members of LEGISLATIVE (Congress) in using discretionary powers in decisions regarding establishment of military bases, building & improvement of navigable rivers, dams, interstate highways, etc., in districts of those members.
JUDICIARY is check on LEGISLATIVE through its authority to review all laws and determine their constitutionality.
LEGISLATIVE (Congress) has restraining power over JUDICIARY, with constitutional authority to restrict extent of its jurisdiction.
LEGISLATIVE has power to impeach members of JUDICIARY guilty of treason, high crimes, or misdemeanors.
EXECUTIVE (President) is check on JUDICIARY by having power to nominate new judges.
LEGISLATIVE (Senate) is check on EXECUTIVE and JUDICIARY having power to approve/disapprove nominations of judges.
LEGISLATIVE is check on JUDICIARY - having control of appropriations for operation of federal court system.
LEGISLATIVE (Peoples Representatives) is check on both EXECUTIVE and JUDICIARY through power to initiate amendments to Constitution subject to approval by 3/4 of the States.
LEGISLATIVE (Senate) has power to impeach EXECUTIVE (President) with concurrence of 2/3, of members.
The PEOPLE, through their State representatives, may restrain the power of the federal LEGISLATURE if 3/4 of the States do not ratify proposed Constitutional Amendments.
LEGISLATIVE, by Joint Resolution, can terminate certain powers granted to EXECUTIVE (President) (such as war powers) without his consent.
It is the PEOPLE who have final check on both LEGISLATIVE and EXECUTIVE when they vote on their Representatives every 2 years, their Senators every 6 years, and their President every 4 years. Through those selections, they also influence the potential makeup of the JUDICIARY.
It is up to each generation to see that the integrity of the Constitutional structure for a free society is maintained by carefully preserving the system of checks and balances essential to limited and balanced government. "To preserve them (is) as necessary as to institute them," said George Washington.
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Footnote: Our Ageless Constitution, W. David Stedman & La Vaughn G. Lewis, Editors (Asheboro, NC, W. David Stedman Associates, 1987) Part III: ISBN 0-937047-01-5
http://www.nccs.net/articles/ril31.html
It’s in the law itself. The law would have to be changed.
Could it that they're not the people's representatives after all?
That”Secret Weapon”is”The Power Of The Purse”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is only one party in DC. The Party of Government.
No. Nothing a previous Congress passes binds a future Congress. Please look it up.
Indeed “comply with Obamacare or we will stop existing funding”.
The Constitution gave them the requirements for POTUS but they didn’t use those either.
That’s what I mean when I say the law would have to be changed by congress to make it a part of the budgetary process. Until then it’s running on autopilot because it was written that way.
Just pass a budget wherein obamneycare remains, but the individual mandate tax is now $0.00. It lets the libs keep obamneycare - just sans the current tax rate.
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