Posted on 10/04/2013 7:15:37 AM PDT by kimtom
Imagine watching an interview on television and hearing a bald, blind, deaf, wrinkled, hunched-back, bedridden man claim that he is 130 years old. Although you might doubt such a claim, if ever there was a man in modern times to live 130 years on Earth, he likely would have looked as worn out as this man appeared. Imagine, however, if a quick-witted, muscular, marathon runner with fair skin, thick, dark hair, low blood pressure, and a good memory, claimed to be 130 years old. What reasonable person would believe such a claim? Everyone would doubt the statement, especially the doctors, who had found the man’s overall health to be comparable to that of a 20-year-old.
Now take a step into the world of evolutionary science. According to evolution’s geologic timetable, since dinosaurs supposedly became extinct 65 million years ago, any dinosaur fossil found in the ground must be at least 65 million years old. But what if the fossils don’t “appear” to be that old? What if, when inspected by scientists, various dinosaur bones around the world are discovered with “highly fibrous,” “flexible,” and elastic bone tissue that “when stretched, returns to its original shape”? What if fibrous proteins such as collagen were found, along with “cell-like structures resembling blood and bone cells”? Would evolutionists come to a similar conclusion as most everyone would about a marathon-running, 130-year-old? Apparently not.
In the last few years, scientists have found a variety of dinosaur bones from around the world that are not completely fossilized. They actually contain intact protein fragments,.......
(Excerpt) Read more at apologeticspress.org ...
I’d love to tell you my hands are clean and I never make any mistakes but the Good Book tells me and observation shows “All have sinned and fallen short of God’s Glory” Romans 3:23 paraphrased from memory and several slightly different translations...
AFAIK I’ve not created any CREVO strawmen arguments though. And just b/c I participate in a debate does not mean I endorse any other author or poster 100%.
The question is not about what kind of errors you've seen, but how they have been initially described.
One more time: Have you ever seen errors described as (and at the time appear to be) "random", and then turn out not to actually be random when more information is available?
If Brandt beats me to the punch, more power to him
Well I hope your not implying random errors don’t exist - they are commonly found in all areas of study.
But yes as I said before the vast number of computer software errors are caused by humans and not random.
>> To cook a fossil, it would have to be buried something like a kilometer deep
> Surely you don’t mean that?
Ground temperature increases with depth as you get closer to the mantle. Only a few kilometers deep the ambient temperature can boil water.
Do you agree with his answer:
YES. We might as well be OK with it since it’s been par for the course [both sides] in these FR CREVO debates.
The FR CREVO debates have historically been contentious, polarizing, and a source of much animosity among the membership because they've descended into name calling an personal attacks. You think we need us some more of that?
And yet they find them deeper than 1 or several kilometers!
And yet they find them deeper than 1 or several kilometers!
You are speaking of denaturing, not quite the same thing. Protein degrades over time without exposure to oxygen or biologicals. Room temp at the atomic level is still a buzz saw of activity.
You mean like Eric Lyons?
Citing creationscience.com is laughable and I’m not going to refute your cut and past line by line, but here’s some information regarding the misconceptions about your alleged bee nest fossils: http://www.academia.edu/1236905/Re-evaluation_of_alleged_bees_nests_from_the_Upper_Triassic_of_Arizona
> Protein degrades over time without exposure to oxygen or
> biologicals. Room temp at the atomic level is still a
> buzz saw of activity.
No, it doesn’t. Proteins are for the most part chemically inactive. That property is what keeps you from disintegrating. Chemistry inside a biological cell is a highly controlled activity with only permitted reactions taking place, most of which require catalytic enzymes. Room temperature may be “a buzz saw of activity”, but biomolecules are so stable that no reactions can take place unassisted. As long as the cell membrane is intact and no reactive substances break in, the cell can lie dormant indefinitely.
Half life of a protein bond is 400 years
http://bionumbers.hms.harvard.edu/mBionumber.aspx?&id=105352&ver=5
It wasn't soft tissue, it was hard, dried out, but not petrified.
The scientific term is dessicated.
They had to rehydrate the tissue (repeatedly) to actually produce soft tissue.
NOW, let's simplify.
No one seems to have a problem with this mosquito being completely preserved for 40 million years.
“..wasn’t soft tissue, it was hard, dried out..”
oaky, it was un-fossilized soft tissue.
If DNA is a perfect replicator like a conventional computer program, how come we don’t look alike?
Your putting words in my mouth - never said DNA is a perfect replicator.
But one could compare favorably software defects with biological mutations. Please understand that God allows both mutations [errors] and natural selection for His own purposes. Natural selection [thanks to the research of Mendel] multiplies the different character traits to choose from several prior generations [excluding the 1st several early generations of course] of both male and female types when a new living organism is conceived.
Side note - 1st generation of DNA would most resemble our Creators’ original declaration of perfection in Genesis reviewing 1st week of work “It is good”.
While no one cares for these physical defects they may serve a purpose in both humility and recognition of sin. The wages of sin bringing death and destruction.
Of course, God can perfect the DNA code [the hope of Heaven], after all He created it from approx a half billion lines of code in the smallest to 3 billion for man and approaching 50 billion for the most complex life forms found on Earth [see Paris Japonis - recently replaced the Marbled Lungfish].
This at least I choose to believe over a long series of accidents and random changes resulting in the extreme bio-diversity we see in nature. For my soul this enlightenment shouts there has to be an Awesome Creator/Originator who authored all of this just like He declares in the Bible but ymmv.
Your putting words in my mouth - never said DNA is a perfect replicator.
But one could compare favorably software defects with biological mutations. Please understand that God allows both mutations [errors] and natural selection for His own purposes. Natural selection [thanks to the research of Mendel] multiplies the different character traits to choose from several prior generations [excluding the 1st several early generations of course] of both male and female types when a new living organism is conceived.
Side note - 1st generation of DNA would most resemble our Creators’ original declaration of perfection in Genesis reviewing 1st week of work “It is good”.
While no one cares for these physical defects they may serve a purpose in both humility and recognition of sin. The wages of sin bringing death and destruction.
Of course, God can perfect the DNA code [the hope of Heaven], after all He created it from approx a half billion lines of code in the smallest to 3 billion for man and approaching 50 billion for the most complex life forms found on Earth [see Paris Japonis - recently replaced the Marbled Lungfish].
This at least I choose to believe over a long series of accidents and random changes resulting in the extreme bio-diversity we see in nature. For my soul this enlightenment shouts there has to be an Awesome Creator/Originator who authored all of this just like He declares in the Bible but ymmv.
from my fr homepage [you might like the links too]...
The complexities encoded in DNA alone affirm a super-natural knowledge implanted in every living creature far superior to all of the computer code generated by mankind. Every living cell contains DNA, with only a few exceptions i.e. when red-blood cells shed their nucleus. DNA contains the estimated equivalence of 3 billion coded-letter sequences of A C T & G. If recorded in books, this code would form a stack equal to the height of the Washington Monument. It has been estimated that the number of messages communicated between the brain, spinal column, and nervous system numbers into the hundreds of trillions per second.
This awesome computer-like DNA code is:
1) distinctly crafted for reproducing each created kind,
2) self-correcting with a wide variety of healing processes,
3) a natural clock indicative of a young earth,
4) highly-integrated, multi-faceted, inter-leaved, & redundant logic to minimize and/or eliminate copy errors,
5) unique for each kind and unique again amongst each copied kind due to gene selection/regression, variation, mutation, and adaptation,
6) pre-programmed with internal intelligence for maturation, survivability, & adaptability regarding most every environmental variation [consider the navigating abilities for migratory birds],
7) AND on display with all lifeforms throughout all natural history [consider the complexities of all the inter and intra-dependent kinds and the many varied eco-systems supporting them] bearing witness to the awesome power of God!!! How could this not possibly bear witness to the logic-filled ~ Logos and the super-natural life-breathed ~ Rhema also described in the Bible? If/when the modern-day science ‘experts’ ever succeed in crafting their own 3 billion lines of code, how will they ever duplicate God’s breath of life?
BTW don’t know how you got your handle but my 1st sports car was nicknamed the ‘pocket rocket’ for it’s ferocious horsepower to weight ratio - the Mazda RX7.
Does that mean God personally creates each snowflake supernaturally?
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