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Shutdown showdown hits brink as Senate kills House spending bill
http://www.washingtontimes.com ^ | By Stephen Dinan

Posted on 09/30/2013 11:35:46 AM PDT by kcvl

The Senate voted Monday afternoon to kill House Republicans’ latest stopgap spending offer, holding firm in their demand that Congress continue to fund Obamacare as part of any government-funding debate.

The 54-46 vote officially tabled both proposals the House GOP passed early Sunday morning, one of which would have funded the government while delaying the health law for a year, and the other of which would have repealed one of the Affordable Care Act’s tax increases.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; congress; deathpanels; democrats; govtshutdown; liberalfascism; obamacare; zerocare
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To: NELSON111

I spent my time in the military in the 60s and 70s when there were shut downs and there were a few times when I didn’t get paid either.

This country is in financial and governmental disaster whether you believe it or not. We are on a cliff being driven over it by a madman, and we cannot turn back and relent and appease any more. You also have to realize that one of the first things the House will do is float an offer to fund the military which if Obama and Reid do not agree to you can go see them.

Finally, last time I checked and when I drew an Eagle check it was once a MONTH. A week, two or three is not a ‘burden’. Not buying it.


41 posted on 09/30/2013 12:11:10 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Repeal The 17th; glennaro

"The senate mafia can do this over and over again."

Yes, they can. But, like the Mafia, their reputation suffers with each repetition. First the military realizes the socialists don't have their back. Then the postal workers. Then the elderly retirees. Etc. Etc. They make an enemy of each voting block in turn. That is the making of a conservative "perfect storm" that will dwarf the storm held by the liberals when Obama became pres__ent. All the Republicans have to do is hold the line and keep pointing back at the socialists saying "you didn't pass the funding; we did". It's an easy victory.


42 posted on 09/30/2013 12:13:05 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: kcvl

The bill the senate killed was a huge compromise. It’ll take some remarkable intransigence and media spin to blame the coming shutdown on anyone other than the Rats. I’m sure Rat voters are capable of the brain fart necessary to blame the GOP and I know the Rat media is capable of such spin. Especially since ever RINO has been preemptively blaming the Tea Party.


43 posted on 09/30/2013 12:14:26 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: kcvl

With the government shutdown, how long would it take to get out of debt?


44 posted on 09/30/2013 12:16:56 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Agree totally! (Jim Thompson from the HoR, Oregon?)


45 posted on 09/30/2013 12:17:35 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: kcvl

The henkster predicts that both houses will convene at 10:55 p.m. to vote a “compromise” (surrender) CR that continues the lack of budget charade for another year, funds 0bamacare, does not delay the individual mandate, and promises to create a “bipartisan commission to study amendments” to 0bamacare.

Just in time for the 11 o’clock news.

You heard it here first.


46 posted on 09/30/2013 12:18:30 PM PDT by henkster (democrats will sacrifice the lives of our servicemen so 0bama doesn't look bad.)
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Stop OBAMACARE
Pass the Military Pay Protection Act

Call and email ALL Senators of the 113th Congress

Call the Republican National Committee:
310 First Street, SE Washington, DC 20003
(202) 863-8500

Tell them to stand together and stop Obamacare and pay our Military, no excuses!!!

47 posted on 09/30/2013 12:21:48 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Repeal The 17th
Boehner could argue that it's unconstitutional for the Senate to do that. Spending must originate in the House. Reid cannot add amendments to fund.

It was a different matter to remove an amendment that positively defunded something. It's another matter to add an amendment to fund something.

-PJ

48 posted on 09/30/2013 12:22:04 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: kcvl

“Government shutdown? Nonsense. Only in our dreams will the U.S. government shut down. The current flap about an impending shutdown represents only the latest episode in the soap opera that stars the government as the hysterical teenage drama queen. For fiscal year 2013, which will end in a week, estimated federal revenue is expected to be about $2.7 trillion. In real terms, this revenue is roughly equal to the amount the government spent ten years ago, near the beginning of the Bush II administration.”

— Robert Higgs


49 posted on 09/30/2013 12:22:19 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (We the People sent you to DEFUND it, not defend or delay it!)
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To: cotton1706

Now its back to the house...Now is the time to take away all..ALL exemptions...send it back to the Senate!

Conservatives are fighting a two front war....and while it seems we cant get anywhere fast enough we are gaining inch by inch.

Ive been on FR a long time and have never seen this amount of enthusiasm before. And we arent alone...2/3 of the people are our side...conservative groups and so on.

We might have won if the gang of 25 traitors hadnt pulled a fast one on us...then again maybe not...but now we can turn the tables on them and the RATS by simply taking away ALL exemptions.

After the shi’ite hits the fan, and it will with 0bamacare, the conservatives in the Republican party will be calling all the shots and take back the Senate...and in 2016 take back the WH.

Still a long way to go but with some marketing skills(almost none in the GOPe)by conservatives we can win in the near future.

Classic example of this can be seen in NC...RATS had total control of the state but hung themselves and Republicans are setting things straight.


50 posted on 09/30/2013 12:26:04 PM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: Political Junkie Too

The whole damn ACA is unconstitutional from the onset.

The senate stripped the language from a House bill
and substituted the language of obamacare in its place.
That bill, according to the supreme court, included a “tax”.
ALL bills to raise revenue MUST be initiated in the House.

Any House vote to support or fund obamacare in any way
is a vote for an unconstitutional bill.


51 posted on 09/30/2013 12:26:32 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Gaffer
>>>Finally, last time I checked and when I drew an Eagle check it was once a MONTH. A week, two or three is not a ‘burden’. Not buying it.

Well...it's been twice a month for the longest time....for the 26 years I've been in.

And you are telling me that when you were in and if you were an E-3 or 4 and had a family that it wouldn't be a burden on you or your family to go "three months" (per your suggestion) or even 2 weeks without a paycheck? So...if you got paid on the 1st of September...it wouldn't be a burden on not get paid on 1 October?

I ain't buying that. That's bull and you know it....or else you've never been a barely paid lower enlisted.

52 posted on 09/30/2013 12:27:06 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: Repeal The 17th
I know.

And the whole CR process, too, because Reid won't pass a budget and allow regular order to proceed.

Everyone is getting too cozy with the "new normal" of continuing resolutions in place of annual budgets.

-PJ

53 posted on 09/30/2013 12:29:27 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: kcvl

Harry Reid:”Understand we’re dealing with anarchists, they hate government.”

Continue as you have, and you might just see that.


54 posted on 09/30/2013 12:29:57 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: Gaffer
And the house has passed a military bill...but it won't get passed by the senate if they follow your suggestion.

And that's my point. It ain't as black and white as you want to think it is...and it sounds like you are a little out of touch. The fact the government is a fiscal disaster ain't my fault. I voted for Cruz in the primary and the general. Ron Paul was my congressman for years. I've done my part...and the military is one of the few constitutional duties of the federal government. Sending the senate on a 3 month break would be a disaster (and yes that was probably sarcasm...but you still said it and I am sure there are those who think it....because they haven't thought all of this through). And I dare say you would not have done too well back in the 60's without getting paid for 3 months....especially if you had a family.

You might want to see how the average enlisted lives now compared to when you were in. It ain't like it used to be where you stayed in barracks and everything was paid for you and all you needed your paycheck for was to get drunk and chase tail and gamble. I think our current military members on this site can vouch for what I am saying.

55 posted on 09/30/2013 12:36:30 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111

When I mustered out, I was an E-5 stationed in England (for 364 days after just having spent 3 years in Germany) [Before that, I spent 18 months in the Azores and 18 months in Okinawa and elsewhere. 8 years in, and almost 7 OCONUS]

I lived off base and made about $600/month in pay and allowances. [The pay started in 1968 at about $94/month]. Almost half of that was housing. The rest went for food, car insurance, utilities, taxes (local) and gas and I was TDY 50% the entire time. For the entire near-year my wife, son and I were there, my house was unheated except for the baby’s room. Heating was all-electric and my wife and I survived on Macaroni and hot dogs from the commissary. During that time potatoes got so expensive we couldn’t afford them at all. My wife actually stooped following the potato truck that went through the village once picking up the ones that fell out the back because of the cobblestone streets while she was walking our son in the baby carriage.

Near the end, I told them I wouldn’t re-enlist and go to Turkey for a remote unaccompanied tour. They sent me to Iceland for two months and left me with 3 days to process out and get sent back stateside when I returned from there. If you’ve been overseas with a family you can guess what that’s like.

We didn’t have food stamps or EBT or credit cards we could get a cash advance from. We didn’t even relatives, either...so seeing your last sentence just infuriates me. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Barely paid my ass.


56 posted on 09/30/2013 12:44:58 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: kcvl

Boner should say “We sent two CRs to the senate that funded the government. We won’t be sending anymore.”


57 posted on 09/30/2013 12:48:51 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: ClearCase_guy

If I read that right-—IE read what it says-—the Senate didn’t kill anything. They voted to “table” both of the house bills. You’d think the senate demos would have the nerve to actually vote something down if it was really BAD. Tabling makes it look like dingyharry is saving up all the house bills until he finds one he sort of likes. Tabling also means they haven’t actually sent anything back to the House. Bbbbuuuutttt the reporting is so halfast all the way around that you can’t tell what to bet on-—don’t even use monopoly money-—that’s worth more than the reporting.


58 posted on 09/30/2013 12:54:09 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: ClearCase_guy

All funding bills are spending bills, and must, by the Constitution, originate in the House.


59 posted on 09/30/2013 1:00:27 PM PDT by 22202NOVA ("Democracy is the art of running the circus from the monkey cage." -- H.L. Mencken)
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To: Gaffer

Theo GOPe had them on Cloture and f’d it up again. Cowards.


60 posted on 09/30/2013 1:00:35 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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