Posted on 09/26/2013 9:56:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
I've properly taken to task Republicans who--in the heat of the present battle--are still attacking Ted Cruz and thereby effectively adding their voices to the Democrat choir that would blame Republicans for a government shutdown. (Their defeatist prophecy is sadly self-fulfilling.)
For that criticism, I've lately been accused of calling for a "purge" of impure Republicans.
Of course, I've never called for a purge, but the talk of purges makes me wonder if perhaps I and others like-minded should "purge" ourselves from the Republican Party.
No matter what you think about the current CR/Obamacare battle, it seems undeniable that the GOP rank-and-file is completely frustrated with the waffling Republican establishment and its intelligentsia. I'm accused of being unrealistic about the CR fight, but if I am unrealistic, then the GOP establishment's "realists" must also admit the reality that the GOP is coming apart before our eyes. Something must arise to replace it. (Perhaps that's a self-fulfilling prophecy, too. So be it!)
Is the time ripe for a third party?
Yes, I know very well such talk is usually quickly dismissed because a third party could not immediately become a viable "stand alone" alternative to the GOP.
But a third party split off from the GOP could immediately become a formidable political force by selectively aligning itself with the GOP and GOP candidates when the occasion required, but withholding support when the GOP refused to stand for our core principles.
Following a strategy of selectively aligning itself with the GOP, a new third party could eventually supplant the GOP rump by gradually siphoning off the Republican rank-and-file without ever reducing conservative clout by a single vote.
Would you join?
What are the core principles that a third party would need to uphold to in order to win your support?
I admit, I'm a bit of Wall Street Journal squish on immigration, but I could happily join with almost any collection of anti-immigrationists if they shared my views on a government of limited, express power, the rollback of government collectivism, reduced taxes, etc. Even though I am viscerally anti-abortion, I could even go along with a party platform that would explicitly leave that issue (and SSM) for the states to decide.
I guess you could say that, at the federal level, I'm almost libertarian, while at the state and local level, I'm a communitarian who believes citizens in local communities should be allowed to decide how to rule themselves, so long as core individual rights are respected. In other words, if the people of Berkeley want to worship the god of Mother Nature and tax themselves into oblivion, that's their business, because I don't have to live there. So far as I'm concerned , the people of California can vote to do pretty much whatever they want, so long as they don't expect us Texans to pay for it with federal tax dollars.
Would you join the New American Party?
I registered as a Democrat when I could first vote.
But I have voted Republican since 1964.
I see no reason to change now.
It won't work, until ballot access laws are changed in most states, so that all partys have equal ballot access. In order to change ballot access the state legislators in Socialist Party D, and Socialist Party R would have to be convinced to change the laws in their state. I can't see that happening. If there were a new party established that suddenly became a threat to the D's, and the R's, the controlers from both partys would infiltrate the new party immediately.
As much as I hate to admit it there is only one way to solve the problem.
II Cronicles 7:14
If my people which are called by my name, shall humble themselves,and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways,then will Ihear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
It’s not just the Rhino’s who need to go Jedi.......this entire Healthcare issue is smoking out who is ‘for the American people’ and who is not. That was the major point of Cruz’s stand.....that ‘Republicans’ aren’t doing the “peoples” work they hired them for.
The Old guard needs to go as well....not just Rhino’s.
I loved Ronald Reagan, and was his biggest fan, but I never bought into that line of his. The Dems in the 1930s were a combination of socialist and national socialist. One faction admired the Soviets, another the Nazis. Their policies emulated both in many respects, and they would have gone farther if they could. Reagan was a Dem in the 1930s. They didn’t leave him; he got educated. His experience in the 40s fighting communists in the unions was part of that. The biggest part was his tutelage under the President of GE in the 50s. Dems were actually less socialist in the 50s than in the 30s. They had gotten rid of their fringe element for the most part by then. (The fringe came back, though, in the 60s.)
100% yes. I’ve already flushed the GOP down the sewer.
<...” my people”....>
Do take note it’s ‘Gods people’ who are asked to humble themselves and turn from their wicked ways....not those who don’t know Him...they are simply the blind leading the blind.
in.........
I love Cruz.....but third party will hand another victory to the rats....you can bet THEY ARE COUNTING ON IT!
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Nope. All that would accomplish is to guarantee a Hitlery election in 2016, and Sen. Cruz is too smart to commit political suicide by forming a third party.
What I'd like to see him and other conservatives advocate is that the Republican presidential candidate should be selected only by Republicans: no Rats or independents in the R primary. IMHO, it's largely because of open primaries that we get RINO nominees.
In a heartbeat.
I’d much prefer to see a new Third party, the RINO Party. It would have all the greatest heros in it: McCain, Lindsey, McConnell, Boehner, Cantor. It would be just dandy to have Karl architect it.
Then.... I’d remain a Republican, and support the existing and currently existing party, with Cruz, Lee, Gohmert, etc....
The GOP itself started as a third party. In four years, it completely wiped out the second party, the Whigs.
What would the new party espouse?:
1. Adherence to the Constitution, enumerated rights and balance of powers.
2. No funding of or for abortions and contraception.
3. Return powers usurped by the federal government to the states, i.e., Education.
4. Balanced budget, with all tax increases voted upon in national elections.
5. Strengthened military minus waste.
Waste of time , the US is a failed nation.
Reset is the only answer.
In a Peter King New York minute!
I prefer to work from within. There will always be a large group that votes for the party. It will take years, maybe decades for a third party to win the Presidency. I don't want to get stuck with 10 more Obama’s.
As fast as I could. With donations. Republican stands for literally nothing. More to the right of the dems unless they feel threatened and then they hide under the dem skirts.
In fact I think there could be several positive benefits to going 3rd party. The first one is that people are just tired of both parties.
Second- IMO the name "republican" has been completely trashed by the media.
Another point is that people like things that are new. (But, the party should be based on old principals-the Constitution.)
Because the left has been so successful in dumbing down the public about our nation, and it's true history, it's going to require someone literally teaching people the basics all over again, to save the country.
But if ever there was anyone up to the task, that person is Ted Cruz.
He has the ability to explain principals of the Constitution in ways that almost anyone can understand.
That said- I don't think leaving the republicans should be done unless there is simply no other choice.
I also think that if they decide to go- all conservatives and libertarians need to leave the at the same time- Either they stay all in, or they all go out-no half measures.
The main problem with leaving is that the media will do everything in its power to marginalize a third party (especially a conservative third party). How will this new party get its message to the people?
(I'm sure there are also many other important points to consider.)
Unfortunately I just can't help but ask :
If they won't protect us from Obamacare but they will exempt themselves from it,
if they won't do anything about the IRS harrasing us, and the NSA spying on us,
and they won't follow through on Benghazi (where good people died heroically because of, at the very least negligence),
if they won't pursue Fast and Furious, and in general, won't stand up to the dems about anything-
What is the point of staying in the party?
I think you are right, Mac. And I also think that Cruz feels the same way. Besides that, the moneymen of the powers that be would destroy him. This isn’t a two bit operation here. This is a worldwide kabal and they will brook no uprising so it would fail unless it’s all out war. We need strength in numbers, bucks, and a unified front which we never seem able to muster. The rich and powerful want to stay rich and powerful, even the conservatives among them. We need patriots up in those clouds and there are precious few willing to risk everything...even to save the country.
If a conservative third party can get organized and take over their own town that would be a good start. If they can’t do that then I wouldn’t waste my vote.
At this point.. YES!. I'll stand with Ted Cruz on just about anything he proposes.
I watched nealy 8 hours of him speaking and he made me a BELIEVER that there are still MEN who can LEAD.
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