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Is the United States Splitting Apart?
Townhall ^ | 09/25/2013 | Ben Shapiro

Posted on 09/25/2013 10:24:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

In September, the Siskiyou County Board of Supervisors voted to secede from the State of California. "Many proposed laws are unconstitutional and deny us our God-given rights," said one attendee at the council meeting. "We need our own state so we can make laws that fit our way of life." A few weeks later, the Modoc County Board of Supervisors voted to join Siskiyou in the new state of Jefferson, voting 4-0 to leave California.

The board votes didn't mean much legally -- the federal government and state government of California would have to recognize the new proposed state of Jefferson. But symbolically, the vote recognizes the growing incompatibility of leftist governance and conservative populations, and vice versa. California is the United States writ small: a state increasingly dominated by Democrats at the top levels, but remaining largely red locally; a state with a massive gap between the major metropolitan areas, which trend deeply blue, and the more rural conservative areas. Increasingly, the two populations simply can't work together.

And thus conservatives are leaving. More and more business have taken off for Texas, New Mexico, Nevada. Three companies a week left California for Texas from 1990 to 2010 (about one company left Texas for California each week during that same period). California's population growth has been driven largely by illegal immigration. The breadbasket of California in the San Joaquin Valley has been devastated by a combination of federal and state environmental regulations.

Conservatives in California still have someplace to go. But what happens when states begin falling, one after another, for the Democratic playbook? As California drives itself deeper into the mire, even leftists are unsatisfied with its style of living -- and they're leaving. Between 1995 and 2000, California lost nearly 67,000 residents to Texas, and lost 94,000 to Arizona; California also lost 55,000 to Colorado. Those emigrants probably voted heavily Democrat in California. Now they've moved to new states, where they will undoubtedly copycat the same destructive practices that drove them from their original homes.

After all, that's what happened to California. California used to be a reliably middle-of-the-road state -- it was home to both Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan. But from 1955 to 1960, California absorbed large liberal populations from states like New York (nearly 99,000) and Illinois (100,000). That trend continued and was exacerbated by immigration across the southern border. The Republican Party didn't help itself any with Proposition 187 under the governorship of Pete Wilson, which targeted public services for illegal immigrants. Now California is perhaps the bluest state in the nation, even though on the local level, it remains largely red.

So what happens when people run out of places to run? What happens when all of America's major metro areas go blue and those populations control states with conservative rural populations? What happens when those conservatives get sick of paying for the excesses of leftist governance?

Exactly what's happening in California? And while California's secessionists may seem like a frivolity now, they may be an early warning of what's to come if Americans cannot reunite around common political principles.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: calexit; california; cwii; newcalifornia; secession; stateofjefferson; timdraper; unitedstates
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To: Rio

Do you have a decent port in that proposed state?


41 posted on 09/25/2013 10:44:52 AM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

Well if you live there you should know but when you see an issue like homosexual marriage being defeated rather handily, there is some red left.


42 posted on 09/25/2013 10:45:19 AM PDT by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: donmeaker

Humboldt Bay is the largest port.


43 posted on 09/25/2013 10:45:20 AM PDT by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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To: cherry

That’s happening already. ND isn’t getting their pipeline, much to the eternal relief of Berkshire Hathaway shareholders.

As soon as Byrd died, they went to war against WV too.


44 posted on 09/25/2013 10:46:06 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Rio

45 posted on 09/25/2013 10:48:10 AM PDT by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yep.


46 posted on 09/25/2013 10:48:23 AM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Parts of states cannot secede unless both the state and Feds agree to it, which has only happened under CW conditions (West Virginia)

If Colorado and California refuse to let their counties go who want out and a civil war is what it takes then, sooner or later, they'll get one.

47 posted on 09/25/2013 10:49:46 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: SeekAndFind
But from 1955 to 1960, California absorbed large liberal populations from states like New York (nearly 99,000) and Illinois (100,000).

It happened again in the 70's after a bad winter in the NE, suddenly there were NY license plates everywhere.

48 posted on 09/25/2013 10:51:24 AM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: tanknetter
Unfortunately, such a strike would be brutally put down by the government ...

And then a lot of government people will be 'brutally put down' in retaliation. Just how that kind of thing works.

49 posted on 09/25/2013 10:52:41 AM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sorry, due to Demographics the federal government is going to be one party rule from now on. Forming a new state even if you are allowed to will not help, those crazy state laws will soon be federal laws (and just wait to all the new federal laws and “rights” a Liberal majority Supreme Court comes up with).

Instead of a new state of Jefferson, they should be trying to create the new country of Jefferson


50 posted on 09/25/2013 10:52:50 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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More info:

http://www.jeffersonstate.com/


51 posted on 09/25/2013 10:53:55 AM PDT by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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To: SeekAndFind

If by some miracle this new State of Jefferson becomes reality it is doomed if cannot keep out liberals and leeches.


52 posted on 09/25/2013 10:59:35 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The board votes didn't mean much legally -- the federal government and state government of California would have to recognize the new proposed state of Jefferson.

FREE People don't need 'permission'.

Schemes to subvert the liberties of a great community require time to mature them for execution. An army, so large as seriously to menace those liberties, could only be formed by progressive augmentations; which would suppose, not merely a temporary combination between the legislature and executive, but a continued conspiracy for a series of time. Is it probable that such a combination would exist at all? Is it probable that it would be persevered in, and transmitted along through all the successive variations in a representative body, which biennial elections would naturally produce in both houses? Is it presumable, that every man, the instant he took his seat in the national Senate or House of Representatives, would commence a traitor to his constituents and to his country? Can it be supposed that there would not be found one man, discerning enough to detect so atrocious a conspiracy, or bold or honest enough to apprise his constituents of their danger? If such presumptions can fairly be made, there ought at once to be an end of all delegated authority. The people should resolve to recall all the powers they have heretofore parted with out of their own hands, and to divide themselves into as many States as there are counties, in order that they may be able to manage their own concerns in person.

Alexander Hamilton Federalist #26

53 posted on 09/25/2013 11:01:14 AM PDT by MamaTexan (Due to the newly adopted policy at FR, every post I make may be my last.)
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To: SeekAndFind

A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half communist and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved — I do not expect the house to fall — but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other.

I do not think there will be division, but I fear that there will be blood.


54 posted on 09/25/2013 11:05:10 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Tehama ... come on and vote to leave Kalifornia


55 posted on 09/25/2013 11:08:03 AM PDT by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: SeekAndFind

Let the break-up happen (peacefully) now, I am sick of liberals on the Federal level interfering in my life!


56 posted on 09/25/2013 11:09:13 AM PDT by JSDude1 (Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
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To: SeekAndFind
The board votes didn't mean much legally -- the federal government and state government of California would have to recognize the new proposed state of Jefferson.

Not exactly. Requires only a majority vote of the CA legislature and of Congress.

57 posted on 09/25/2013 11:11:24 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Mark Steyn: "In the Middle East, the enemy of our enemy is also our enemy.")
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To: Rio; donmeaker

The NWP rail line to the outside world is down, and probably not coming back between Willits and Eureka. Any commerce through that port will have to go by truck.

/NWP Geek


58 posted on 09/25/2013 11:12:43 AM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: DoughtyOne

You go first. I’m going the other way.


59 posted on 09/25/2013 11:18:07 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: Rio
Southern Oregon will join them. We've had enough of Portland!

I assume that the northern border of the proposed state of Jefferson stops at the southern border of Lane County?

60 posted on 09/25/2013 11:19:58 AM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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