I admit Im confused...Im not blindly following Cruz/Lee but they do have all the right enemies. I want obamacare out/crippled/dead!
Then by all means defund it.
then what is the fuss, just defund it
I’ve never understood how a “government shutdown” essentially means 90% of the government keeps running on autopilot
Umm, ok. A distinction without a difference. Are there people who will vote against defunding who are also against Obamacare? I don’t see how they can reconcile the views.
Hopefully most here already knew that.
The whole idea is that a shutdown would force Reid to pass a defund bill and then Obama to sign it when they get all the blame for it and the public lines up against them with the media's help.
(On the good side a shutdown due to Senate inaction reflects on Dems as they control that house)
Of course ’we dont really want a shutdown, its Obama who wants that, wink, wink ’
To make things more confusing, voting for the defund CR in Senate (cloture vote) is likely to lead to Reid restoring the funding to the CR and sending that to Bohner and Cantor and voting against it could lead to the shutdown mentioned above.
I believe the point is that Bongocare is mostly funded by the healthcare act itself. The citizen pays fees directly, the funding isn’t from the government. That’s why some call it a tax.
Sample Call Script
Hi, this is ________ ________ and I'm calling to urge Senator ________ to OPPOSE "cloture" on the continuing resolution (CR) to stop Harry Reid's trick plan to fund Obamacare with only 50 votes.
Is Senator ________ going to vote against cloture? ...
I strongly oppose Obamacare and I hope the senator will stand with Mike Lee and Ted Cruz and oppose cloture so the Democrats can't fund it. We must stop the implementation of Obamacare and there are millions of Americans counting on the senator to stand strong.
Will you please pass my message on to the senator? ...
Background Information
The House passed a bipartisan bill to prevent a government shutdown and to defund Obamacare so it won't be implemented this year. This House legislation represents the will of the American people and the Senate should approve it. Unfortunately, Harry Reid and the Democrats plan to add Obamacare funding back into the bill using a procedural trick that allows them to fund Obamacare with only 50 votes.
Senate Republicans can stop Harry Reid's plan to fund Obamacare by defeating cloture – a vote on the process that requires 60 votes. If Republicans defeat cloture, they can protect the House bill that defunds Obamacare and pressure Democrats to adopt it.
However, if Republicans vote for cloture, Obamacare will be funded and millions of Americans will be forced into a government program that is unaffordable, unworkable, and unfair.
A vote for cloture is a vote to fund Obamacare.
Don't let Senate Republicans tell you the vote on cloture is a vote to "defund" Obamacare. It is not. Cloture approves the debate process, not the bill being debated.<.b> If cloture were truly a vote to "defund" Obamacare, the Democrats would not be supporting it.
Senate Republican Whip List
Tell the Republicans to OPPOSE cloture to stop Harry Reid's plan to fund Obamacare. Tell them a vote for cloture is a vote to fund Obamacare.
A roster of Republican Senators AND contact info can be found here. Scroll down page.
This sounds like:â€And today isn’t really Monday. You poor fools THINK this is Monday but that is because you’re not as smart as I am.†Okay right! Defund the pos.
Headline makes no sense.
"But for the most part, no CR will fund Obamacare, even if Obama wrote it himself. You know what funds Obamacare? A bill called HR 3590, also known as the Affordable Care Act."
Baloney. The courts have held that each individual congress can control the spending. A prior congress cannot bind future congresses on spending bills. They cannot block the power of a future congress to control spending during its term. The current House holds the purse strings and the power to deny funds. Look it up. James Madison Federalist 58.
HR 3590 was passed by a prior congress now dead and gone. Thank God and Greyhound.
The current congress (elected by the people as a direct result of the recalcitrant prior congress that rammed it through over the objections of the people and by bastardizing the long-standing rules and procedures to do so) absolutely has the constitutional power and authority to either appropriate funds or deny funds. Especially if those funds are unwisely being spent to unconstitutionally expand government powers beyond its constitutional limits. It’s the people’s check on a runaway chief executive. James Madison was a wise man.
” I know no method to secure the repeal oof bad or obnoxious laws so effective as their stringent execution.” Ulysses Grant