Posted on 09/22/2013 11:10:57 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
Sen. Rand Paul conceded Saturday that congressional Republicans have little chance of stopping Obamacare.
We probably cant defeat or get rid of Obamacare, the Kentucky senator told reporters at a gathering of Michigan Republicans, according to the Associated Press.
Paul acknowledged that time is running out for Congress to pass a government funding bill, however he said House Republicans efforts to defund Obamacare in its government funding bill could lead to a compromise.
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Reid has said any bill defunding Obamacare would be dead on arrival, and Sen. John McCain said Thursday that it was not rational to think the Senate would pass anything defunding the program.
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WWW.DONTFUNDOBAMACARE.COM
From Free Republic: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3069892/posts?page=1
"Paul is wrong. Reid is wrong. McCain is wrong. We don't need the irrational senate to pass a defunding bill. We don't need to pass a bill at all.
The House can definitely deny funds for obamacare or any other unconstitutional, runaway, big government boondoggle it wishes to deny by simply not funding it.
The senate has no say. The president has no say. If the House does not pass an appropriations bill for the program, there is no bill for the senate to alter or for the president to sign, and no funds for the project.
It's in the Appropriations Clause.
Excerpted from the Heritage Foundation:
No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.
ARTICLE I, SECTION 9, CLAUSE 7
The Appropriations Clause is the cornerstone of Congress's "power of the purse." It assigns to Congress the role of final arbiter of the use of public funds. The source of Congress's power to spend derives from Article I, Section 8, Clause 1. The Appropriations Clause provides Congress with a mechanism to control or to limit spending by the federal government. The Framers chose the particular language of limitation, not authorization, for the first part of the clause and placed it in Section 9 of Article I, along with other restrictions on governmental actions to limit, most notably, executive action.
In The Federalist No. 58, James Madison described the centrality of the power of the purse's role in the growth of representative government and its particular importance in the Constitution's governmental structure:
"The House of Representatives cannot only refuse, but they alone can propose the supplies requisite for the support of the government. They, in a word, hold the pursethat powerful instrument by which we behold, in the history of the British Constitution, an infant and humble representation of the people gradually enlarging the sphere of its activity and importance, and finally reducing, as far as it seems to have wished, all the overgrown prerogatives of the other branches of government. This power over the purse may, in fact, be regarded as the most complete and effectual weapon with which any constitution can arm the immediate representatives of the people, for obtaining a redress of every grievance, and for carrying into effect every just and salutary measure."
Much more at link, including the power to change, suspend, or rescind prior funding bills. The funds still have to be appropriated by the current House of Representatives before they can be spent. And the House can deny funding for any department, agency or program it wishes to defund without even having to pass a bill.
http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/1/essays/67/appropriations-clause
Dear Republican Congress:
Hold the line!! The House has the power of the purse and the power to deny funds!!
Use your constitutional power to deny ObamaCare!!
When Obama/Reid and the demonrats come to you begging for money to fund the government, say here it is and present your prepared appropriations bills with zero funds for obamacare and let them know straight up that there will also be NO debt limit increase and, throwing Obamas own words back at them, there will be NO negotiations!!
If they say no or refuse to go along, reject what the senate demonrats send back to you and begin passing clean appropriations bills one by one funding each essential department with no amendments allowed. Double dog dare them to deny funding to each department, one by one!!
The House holds all the constitutional cards in the appropriations game.
The only power Obama and Reid have is a mean-spirited attempt to try to shutdown the entire government in retaliation for the House denying funds for the presidents pet, unconstitutional, nation-wrecking, Marxist spread-the-wealth-around boondoggle -- a jobs-killing boondoggle that the American people do not want. But that (the shutdown) wont work either. The essential parts of government will go on. The military will be paid. Social security checks will go out. Critical obligations will be paid.
The main effect of the Obama shutdown will be a whole lot of non-essential employees (excess baggage) from the bloated federal government get laid off. Whoopee.
Keep up the good work and the defunding battle all the way to Nov 2014 if necessary. We the people have your backs!!
Its your constitutional power and duty to control the UNCONSTITUTIONAL runaway government.
Obamacare, if allowed to stand, is the death knell of our constitutional republic. Obamacare sets the precedent, approved by the Robert's Court, that there are no constitutional limits on what government can demand of the people. This bad ruling will be overturned eventually, but in the meantime, it's up to we the people to stop obamacare and we've elected you specifically to do that.
Gentlemen and gentlewomen, Do your duty!!"
1 posted on Sunday, September 22, 2013 11:10:57 AM by Jim Robinson
Send to everyone you know and ask them to send it to at least 5 people they know. Make it go viral!
(I stink at links....)
http://www.dontfundobamacare.com
Cruz is doing a great job on this. Unfortunately, my senators are commie-loving Feinstein and Boxer
It appears he is like his dad, has little to no clue about the founding of the country
Making calls to ALL Senators, especially those up for re-election in 2014 and ALL R's...will put the heat on. We'll be able to keep an eye on who the true patriots, listening to We the People, are and who the traitors are - on this roster.
God bless and keep Senators Cruz and Lee.
Thank you very much (but hope someone cleans it up and fleshes it out). By the way, if the House cannot carve out Obamacare for defunding as a single program, then they’ll just have to provide zero funds for the departments involved. I don’t know exactly how many departments are charged, but I believe a large part of it is in HHS. Therefore, the House should reject the senate’s amendment funding Obamacare, then send up another “clean” bill funding all of the government, but defunding HHS (it’s unconstitutional anyway—that kind of stuff is all reserved to the states and the people by the constitution). They definitely have constitutional grounds to do this. Or, they could simply cut the funding for HHS and the IRS, etc, enough that they cannot possibly hire the new people required to rollout obamacare.
Obama/Reid arrogantly refuse to negotiate? Fine. Let the House wield it’s constitutional power of the purse to deny them their commie loot.
The House can do lots more like this running right up to Nov 2014. And the people have their backs. If they don’t cave, look for Republican/tea party sweeps in 2014/2016.
I don’t see any reason to re-elect those who do cave.
Hey House members, do what we sent you to do, Wield the Power of the Purse!
You said it best Jim: "Therefore, the House should reject the senates amendment funding Obamacare, then send up another clean bill funding all of the government, but defunding HHS (its unconstitutional anywaythat kind of stuff is all reserved to the states and the people by the constitution). They definitely have constitutional grounds to do this. Or, they could simply cut the funding for HHS and the IRS, etc, enough that they cannot possibly hire the new people required to rollout obamacare."
"Obama/Reid arrogantly refuse to negotiate? Fine. Let the House wield its constitutional power of the purse to deny them their commie loot."
I haven't been this fired up since the 2010 elections. Burn up those phones folks and make Jim's post go viral!
Don't Cave House Members!!
I don’t think so, and I didn’t like Cruz’ comments either....but Cruz has joined the debate hard again.
And I’m not sure I agree with your assessment of the results of a shutdown....
Rand Paul: GOP probably cant defeat Obamacare [Reid, McCain concur. Wrong! Read on],
"Paul is wrong. Reid is wrong. McCain is wrong. We don't need the irrational senate to pass a defunding bill. We don't need to pass a bill at all.
Ping (& TM) to article, # 1, and # 81.
Thanks, Art in Idaho.
Thanks, Nully.
My husband and I, our three children, their spouses, my five adult grandchildren and all my neighbors, relatives and friends have already signed the petition.
Doin’ what we can. I pray that it works.
I love these Republicans that are all to willing to lay down and die for the establishment. They view the government as some type of unstoppable juggernaut. That government has it’s own inertia and there is nothing they can do about it.
Just tell your AG to enforce the requirement that "Navigators" must have a state insurance license.
Consists of a huge test on all aspects of insurance and a background check.
Feel free to use it if you can fit it in. Thanks.
Lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for! Stay the course Sen. Cruz!
T-h-a-n-k you——will add that to the list.
Also need to confirm whether the “navigator” (1) was ever convicted of a felony....... and....(2) whether the “navigator be bonded (sneer).
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