Posted on 09/21/2013 5:30:30 PM PDT by nickcarraway
Turkey will take all necessary measures to prevent activities in connection with the 100th anniversary of the so-called 'Armenian genocide' to be held by Armenia and the Armenian Diaspora, Turkish Ambassador to Azerbaijan Ismail Alper Joshgun told media today.
He was commenting on the activities that Armenia might hold in 2015 in connection with 100th anniversary of the so-called 'Armenian genocide'.
"Earlier, Armenians voiced far-fetched claims and such claims can be expected in the future," the ambassador added.
"Turkey will celebrate the centenary of the Battle of Canakkale in two years," he said.
He stressed that Armenia's state ideology is based on falsification of the 1915 events.
"I hope that all historical events will be considered from the point of view of archival material, as Turkey and Azerbaijan proposed," he said.
Don’t forget Cher
The Kardaridans they are Aremians
Looks like the Turks missed a few, darn.
Gosh, what will Nancy Pelousy do? Thanks nickcarraway.
I hear Cher is pretty conservative
Karddarain they are lost cause LOL!
As Cali resident
Nancy Peolsi won’t do jack about it
She is touch feeley Botox Frisco dame
You know what I know Cher is pretty conservative
Remember Chasity Bono became Chaz as a dude
One person that really have second thought about Chasity becoming Dude Chaz was Cher
Read Chaz memiors
PHOTO COLLECTION OF ARMENIAN GENOCIDE
There are numerous photos related to the Armenian genocide taken by various eyewitnesses and included in the holdings of many archives worldwide, particularly Russian, German, Austrian, American, Norwegian, Armenian and others. Taking into account the period of the tragic events, when photo cameras were not available for everyone, especially in the war time period and in the places out of the main urban centers, those photos represent as the most important evidence of the tragedy of Armenian nation. During the WWI the Turkish government strongly prohibited taking any photos of Armenian deportees or bodies of those, who were killed or died during the death marches. Nevertheless there are hundreds of photo evidences of the Armenian genocide, which are the main visual sources of the “the first ideologically motivated genocide of the 20th century”.
Every year dozens of new photo materials are revealed from various sources.
http://www.genocide-museum.am/eng/photos_of_armenian_genocide.php
If Cher is “conservative”, she is truly deserving of an Oscar. Most of her idiotic anti-Romney and anti-GOP tweets during the campaign were barf-worthy.
Most US public schools won’t mention it. Instead, they’ll give students extra credit for protesting turkey genocide this Thanksgiving.
Ping.
>>>I hear Cher is pretty conservative<<<
LOL!
Are you kidding me? Here is just one of many of her quotes....
“If you're black in this country, if you're a woman in this country, if you are any minority in this country at all, what could possibly possess you to vote Republican?”
If that is suppose to be real do you have a source?
What I mean is a source that proves that that is real and not from a movie or something.
That is a still frame from the 1919 Hollywood produced documentary silent film, “Auction of Souls” (only 20 minutes of the film survive today) which portrayed eye witnessed events from the Armenian Genocide, including the image above of crucified Armenian Christian girls. In her memoir, Ravished Armenia, Aurora Mardiganian described being raped and thrown into a harem (which agrees with Islam’s rules of war). Unlike thousands of other Armenian girls who were discarded after being defiled, she managed to escape. In the city of Malatia, she saw 16 Christian girls crucified: “Each girl had been nailed alive upon her cross, spikes through her feet and hands, only their hair blown by the wind, covered their bodies.” She eventually escaped to the West, wrote her memoir and saw it produced into the Hollywood documentary which was shown in major U.S. and European cities.
A woman claims to have seen this. It is from a movie. It portrays what she claims to have seen.
No one denies the massive deaths resulting from the Ottoman Empire war with Armenia among others.-- especially from the actions of the Ottoman Empire against Armenians living in Turkey.
However I am old enough to remember when the Cold War started, the Republic of modern Turkey was a loyal ally against the U.S.S.R. of which Armenia was a long-time "republic." The Cold War was rife with communist disinformation.
Regulars may tire of seeing this (below) but as far as I know it is still true; to wit, the issue of the "genocide" is for the purposes of pursuing world opinion to increase chances that a world "court" will order the modern Republic of Turkey to turn over territory and wealth to Armenia.
As far a I recall Turkey does not deny the horrors but will not describe it as genocide. Turkey also disputes the death count and points to the huge number of Turks killed during the W.W.I hostilities that had Russia and Armenia battling Germany and the Ottoman Empire.
It would be far better IMO if Armenia would just come out and admit this rather than year-after-year, country-after-country demand resolutions condemning modern Turkey for something that happened 100 years ago before modern Turkey existed. To wit,
"the admission of the Armenian Genocide by Turkey is an issue of secondary importance for us. The following issue must be raised: a cruel crime was committed against the Armenian people. The whole nation was actually annihilated, our lands were seized and our 3,000-year-old culture was destroyed. This is not only a cruel crime, but also a great injustice. Therefore, our true demand is compensation for this injustice. The world must know about what happened, and we have to a great extent succeeded. The Turkish side is well aware that the step to follow the admission of the Armenian Genocide by Turkey will be a demand for compensation and return of the lands. This is the reason why Turkey will not admit the Armenian Genocide . . . ."
So what happens now? the Kurds also demand the same territory -- who by the way were also guilty of murdering thousands of Armenians -- as well was Kaiser Wilhelm II German Emperor aware and, some say, abetted the attempted extermination of Russia's ally, the Armenians.
I recall that the article (that I linked) admits that Turkey acknowledges the deaths. The horrors did in fact happen. There are elsewhere claims of hundreds of thousands of Turk civilians killed also.. the real issue seems to be territory and retribution demanded of modern Turkey.
(Lawsuits have forced insurance companies to pay Armenians in recent years.)
BTW, speaking of murdering the Armenian people and destroying Armenian culture -- how many Armenians were killed when the Bolsheviks took over and, I think, made Armenia the first Soviet "republic" established outside of Russia?
Ambassador Morgenthau’s Story is free online at Google Books. I recommend it to all.
Morgenthau was there, he described it as deliberate race extermination. He and many thousands of other people with no reason to spread “disinformation.”
The Turkish authorities went about it systematically, first removing the weapons, then the men, then the helpless and defenseless women, children, elderly. They were hanged, raped, slaughtered, marched to death, tortured unspeakably, starved, and drowned in the Black Sea.
There is no plausible or defensible denial of this history. There is no excuse or justification or mitigating circumstances.
Yes, I have read Morgenthau including old newspaper reports from there. No one denies the horror. He is the one that reported the Kurds involvement once the Armenians were forced into what is now northern Iraq IIRC.
The modern secular country of the Republic of Turkey recognizes the horror from what I have read.. the issue is "genocide" and the purpose that word serves.. plus the refusal to recognized the hundreds of thousands of Turkish civilians murdered by Russians, Armenian military, et al during the war. Not the same as the violations of legal Armenian citizens by the Ottoman Empire but dead nevertheless.
I have an interest in this because routinely our government is asked to participate in this matter. Washington, et al are asked to condemn the modern secular Republic of Turkey for the benefit of today's Armenia. This is more than about the crimes from 100 years ago.
We have enough problems. IMO the issue appears to be the word genocide. The two countries are neighbors. They should be dealing with each other directly.
Plus I worked with a number of Turks, lived in Ankara for a time, and I have great respect for the Turkish people.
Our own Ambassador Morgenthau in those years reported the atrocities of the Ottomans against Armenian civilians living in Turkey. There is no doubt about that.
I believe that modern Turkey recognizes the horrific deaths -- and asks about recognizing Turk civilians killed in that W.W.I Ottoman Empire vs. Russian Empire (that included Armenia I believe) conflict as well as post-war conflicts.
According to a wiki source Armenian genocide deaths totaled 600,000 - 1,800,000.
Effect of World War I on Each Country
According to this source the Ottoman Empire Casualties from those years included 4,200,000 civilians.
Total Deaths: 5,000,000 (Rank = 1 / 16)
Total Deaths % of pop.: 23.5% (Rank = 1 / 16)
Troops: 2,850,000 (Rank = 8 / 16)
Troops % of pop.: 13.4% (Rank = 8 / 16)
Military Deaths: 800,000 (Rank = 6 / 16)
Military Deaths % of Troops: 28.1% (Rank = 3 / 16)
Civilian Deaths: 4,200,000 (Rank = 1 / 16)
Civilian Deaths % of pop.: 19.7% (Rank = 1 / 16)
I believe that the modern Republic of Turkey acknowledges the horrific death toll and the roll of the Ottoman Empire but they object to labeling it genocide. That word is factor for reasons mentioned in a link below.
There are those other 2+ million. The Ottoman Empire and the Russian Empire that included Armenia were at war. Are those two million the Turkish civilians killed by Russian Empire troops in the fighting? And the fighting after both the Russian Empire and the Ottoman Empire collapsed but fighting continued between Turks and Armenians?
This is no attempt to mitigate the horror. Even the modern constitutional democratic Republic of Turkey has admitted the horror. But calling it genocide? Again.. here's something on that.
Labeling the atrocities genocide appears to be an attempt to assist in getting resolutions from our government and countries around the world that will bolster Armenia's case against modern Turkey to reclaim land and other assets lost 100 years ago.
[Excerpt ]"The real purpose of the resolution is not recognition of the Armenian Genocide, but a political struggle – the issue of which side has a larger political capital in Washington. . . . [T]he admission of the Armenian Genocide by Turkey is an issue of secondary importance for us. . . . our lands were seized and our 3,000-year-old culture was destroyed. . . . Therefore, our true demand is compensation for this injustice. . . . Now specialists must study the lawyers’ advice and decide which issue should be submitted to which court, as there is the International Court of Justice, European Court of Human Rights, US Federal Courts, etc. This is a most important issue. It must be studied with all seriousness, because, if we lose in court, Turkey will claim that Armenians have no legal demands."
Why don't the Armenians go after the Germans and the Kurds? What about the atrocities committed by the Bolsheviks when they captured Armenia and made it into a "republic" of the U.S.S.R.?
Very important..when using wiki graffiti as a reference be aware that it is constantly being changed; for example my first reference to wiki contains this: This page was last modified on 18 September 2013 at 01:49. My reference to it is what it contained months ago.
If only I had the time to rebut every point you’ve made...but I haven’t.
Have a nice day!
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