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Karl Rove: The GOP's Self-Defeating 'Defunding' Strategy
WSJ ^ | September 18, 2013 | Karl Rove

Posted on 09/19/2013 6:51:52 AM PDT by Qbert

In 2010, Republicans took the House of Representatives by gaining 63 seats. They also picked up six U.S. senators and 675 state legislators, giving them control of more legislative chambers than any time since 1928. The GOP also won 25 of 40 gubernatorial races in 2009 and 2010.

These epic gains happened primarily because independents voted Republican. In 2010, 56% of independents voted for GOP congressional candidates, up from 43% in 2008 and 39% in 2006.

Today, independents look more like Republicans than Democrats, especially when it comes to health care. In a new Crossroads GPS health-care policy survey conducted in 10 states likely to have competitive Senate races and in House districts that lean Republican or are swing seats, 60% of independents oppose President Obama's Affordable Care Act. If this holds through 2014, then Republicans should receive another big boost in the midterms.

There is, however, one issue on which independents disagree with Republicans: using the threat of a government shutdown to defund ObamaCare. By 58% to 30% in the GPS poll, they oppose defunding ObamaCare if that risks even a temporary shutdown.

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After all, avoiding a shutdown would require, first, at least five Senate Democrats voting to defund ObamaCare. But not a single Senate Democrat says he'll do that, and there is no prospect of winning one over.

Second, assuming enough Senate Democrats materialize to defund ObamaCare, the measure faces a presidential veto. Republicans would need 54 House Democrats and 21 Senate Democrats to vote to override the president's veto. No sentient being believes that will happen.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: defunding; gop4obamacare; karlrove; obamacare; rove
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To: Qbert
I know that there are hills to fight and die on and we must choose well, but Karl Rove is a fool who knows nothing and continues to give bad strategy advice to conservatives, he may be in cahoots with the obamanation as many rinos are. I find the man despicable and an idiot or a liar but he is no patriot. He is a typical politician who puts off the hard and necessary decisions until a later time that will not come. He and many rinos are just like him and will never fight against the evil communist democrat party.
Why conservatives think they can take back the rino party is a mystery to me.
41 posted on 09/19/2013 7:27:36 AM PDT by kindred ( God is just and the justifier of him that believes in Jesus.)
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To: Qbert

I really can’t wait for Karl Rove and his gutless statist republic*nts to get their a$$es swept out of office or whatever other position they may hold.

The GOP hasn’t done diddly squat, and I, for one, cannot wait to vote them out.

What a disgusting bunch of horrible people.


42 posted on 09/19/2013 7:28:32 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: KarlInOhio

[For years he has been advising the Republicans to draw the defensive line for the final apocalyptic battle just a little behind the current location, only to advise abandoning that line once the Dems get into sight. If Rove was French he would have surrendered Vichy before the Germans even asked for it.]

Ain’t it the truth. And funny too.


43 posted on 09/19/2013 7:29:48 AM PDT by kindred ( God is just and the justifier of him that believes in Jesus.)
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To: Qbert

and I should listen to the GOP’s Biggest Loser, exactly why,Karl?

You and Reibus should go on a vacation.

And stay there.


44 posted on 09/19/2013 7:30:40 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Qbert
You can have majorities at every level...but if you never decide to fight in defense of your principles...what good is it.

Notice how quickly and stridently Obama has gone on the offense in defense of his turf.

He is not choosing his words or taking positions with the thought of “not offending” anyone.

He is calling House Repubs Extortionists/Criminals.

Be careful Repubs...don’t dare say anything controversial or combative against our Affirmative Action PO(TU)S.

You might offend some black people or other weak minded low information voter.

Then again...maybe now is the time to actually articulate and contrast the difference between a Marxist-BIG GOVERNMENT philosophy vs a FREE MARKET and INDIVIDUAL LIBERY. How about Self Reliance vs Poverty and Dispair of a Govt Welfare system?

Get passionate and Fight!

45 posted on 09/19/2013 7:31:31 AM PDT by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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To: Qbert

How do we contact Fox News to get Rove off as well as Juan Williams and Bob Beckel; three irrelevant mouth pieces, IMO.


46 posted on 09/19/2013 7:56:55 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Qbert
Rove exposes himself as a statist:
There is, however, one issue on which independents disagree with Republicans: using the threat of a government shutdown to defund ObamaCare.
He uses the Democrat/Elitist formulation, suggesting R's are threatening a shut down, instead of the reality that the Senate / Obama will cause the shut down and are threating one.

Constiutionally, the people's house originates spending and Congress controls the popwer of the purse. Congress writes the laws and the executive administers the laws written by Congress.

It's all in the spin, and the Republicans have the Constitutional upper hand.

The real galling formulation is the cannard about the Rs "controlling 1/2 of 1/3 of the government." In reality and Constitutionally, the R's control 1/2 of the lawmaking organ of government and therefore have an effective veto that is equal to the Senate. The Supreme Court is entirely irrelevant in the lawmaking process and the President and Presidency (especially this Constitutionally-unmoored bastardized-sad-excuse-of-a-chief-executive) needs to be put back into its Constitutional box.

47 posted on 09/19/2013 8:00:55 AM PDT by LALALAW (one of the asses who's sick of our "ruling" classes)
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To: Qbert

Hey karl... the only two National Elections that you ever won were by the hair on your arse. Every other campaign that you have worked on since has ended up with you having your arse handed to you. Drink a big old cup of STFU karl!


48 posted on 09/19/2013 8:18:52 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Qbert
Attract the independents. Be moderate. Democrat lite. Karl Rove is a puke. Michael Medved is a liberal 5th column. McCain and Romney are proof of their level of wisdom. I'm beyond sick of these people. The voice that resonates with me said,

“Our people look for a cause to believe in. Is it a third party we need, or is it a new and revitalized second party, raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people?”

49 posted on 09/19/2013 8:25:15 AM PDT by DWar ("The ultimate destination of Political Correctness is totalitarianism.")
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To: Qbert

Wellington: We hold the crest of the hill and the advancing French are battle weary. What do you recommend Karl?

Rove: We should get the hell out of here and on a boat for London where we can sip tea in safety.

Wellington: Why do you say that?

Rove: There is no way we can beat Napoleon and we may as well enjoy the tea before he conquers England.

Wellington: Hmmm, are you sure you are on our side?


50 posted on 09/19/2013 8:31:08 AM PDT by trubolotta
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To: Qbert

I have come to the conclusion that Rove is just not that bright. In addition, he reminds me of that kid in high school who was always chasing popularity, doing what he thought everyone wanted him to do taht made him look cool. In Karl’s case, he thinks that is chasing the “moderates” and tuning into what they want to hear. He doesn’t get that undecideds and “moderates” are only that way until you persuade them to your side. That will never get accomplished so long as the Republican Party refuses to stand up for principles using any and every means it has it is disposal.

I mean, if they can’t stand up to the most unpopular piece of legislation in recent memory, when in Karl’s mind should they take a stand? Ever!?!?


51 posted on 09/19/2013 9:01:30 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: maggief

Quote: “After Mitt Romney’s defeat and losing 11 of 13 Senate races it spent money on in 2012, big donors are less willing to pony up.”

But that is the fault of those kook conservatives, don’t cha know.


52 posted on 09/19/2013 9:03:38 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: Qbert

Karl the Coward refuses to leave DC and listen to The People.
Sending surveys to people who donated to Crossroads proves he is only interested in staying in power.
Those days ended in 2010.


53 posted on 09/19/2013 9:27:24 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: Qbert
Rove, Krauthammer, McCain and a few other Republicans are on the wrong side of history on this one. America as a whole, who understand the Constitutional abuse of Obamacare do not want Obamacare in any form. You have to wonder what de-funding Obamacare has to do with "shutting government down..." That alone should raise huge Red Flags as to the depth Obamacare goes beyond medical care....apparently Obamacare tentacles reach many departments of our government...where it has no business!
54 posted on 09/19/2013 9:49:07 AM PDT by yoe ("They Come To America" order it now: http://www.theycometoamerica.com/buy-dvd/)
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To: Qbert

isn’t it about time we dropped a mandate on FOX to rid us of Karl?


55 posted on 09/19/2013 9:51:57 AM PDT by WVNan
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To: Lakeshark
the threat of a government shutdown to defund ObamaCare

They're not threatening to shut down the government.

They are going to pay the nation's bills. They ARE funding the government, and they're paying every old bill. They're just not going to pay for a new bill that hasn't started yet.

They've found out that the new expense we took on is far larger than it was originally thought. It is so large it will break the economy.

So, rather than go ahead with something they already know is broken, they're just not going to let it get started.

Old bills will be paid for; this new bill will not.

56 posted on 09/19/2013 10:30:02 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Qbert

Rove is the establishment and is out of touch and should in every way be out of influence IMO.


57 posted on 09/19/2013 10:35:55 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: xzins; All

The real message, the real truth: https://twitter.com/sentedcruz/status/380718147193421824


58 posted on 09/19/2013 10:42:54 AM PDT by Lakeshark (KILL THE BILL! CALL. FAX. WRITE.)
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To: Qbert

From the King of Self-Defeat, we get advice on self-defeating.


59 posted on 09/19/2013 10:54:50 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Obama is an historic President. He's America's first 'Dear Leader' President.)
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To: Qbert

Rove is an attention whore. Narcissist in competition with the liberal left.


60 posted on 09/19/2013 10:57:30 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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