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1 posted on 09/18/2013 10:34:11 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

MSM will bury this news in a back closet. They may not like Obamacare but they love abortion, gay marriage & gun control. So they will keep supporting president Zero.


2 posted on 09/18/2013 10:41:25 PM PDT by entropy12 (With no fear of re-election, Obama is becoming more radical left..thanks a lot all you who abstained)
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To: neverdem
Democrats have routinely criticized Republicans for attacking Obamacare without proposing a viable replacement

Obamacare is a replacement to the existing health plan in the USA. It is the best in the world and that is what Obamacare should be compared against.
It does need a few tweaks such as limiting the awards on medical malpractice lawsuits which driving up the cost of insurance for doctors and patients.

3 posted on 09/18/2013 10:42:05 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: neverdem

“...At less than 200 pages in length, it is considerably more digestible than Obamacare, a 2,700-page piece of legislation ..”

Ooops—if it’s not at least a thousand pages, it doesn’t stand a chance.


4 posted on 09/18/2013 10:46:01 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: neverdem
while families would be able to deduct $20,000.

I don't/can't work and have no taxes to pay. So of what use is the tax deduction? This seems targeted to the upper 20% of income brackets? That's going to go over well. /sarc

5 posted on 09/18/2013 10:49:13 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: neverdem
The world's best health care system needed only a couple of simple things to make it better:

Tort reform

Open insurance markets across state lines

But no. They had to go and @^%$ it up.

6 posted on 09/18/2013 10:51:37 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: neverdem

And with as much gusto as they championed ZeroCare, they will denigrate and tear up the Repub alternative.


10 posted on 09/18/2013 11:04:12 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: neverdem

Medical care is incredibly expensive precisely because of the orgy of governmental and legal intervention put in place over the last forty five years and all the parasite industries that feed on red tape. Now the government and its lawyers are claiming absolute dominion over the whole ball of wax, with the IRS thugs to enforce it. It doesn’t get any worse folks.


11 posted on 09/18/2013 11:09:30 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: neverdem

Bad timing at it’s worse dept!!!!

We are winning now...dont move too quickly on a replacement till the battle has been won.

This just gives the enemy more life.


13 posted on 09/18/2013 11:15:57 PM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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The Democrats don’t want affordable health care, the scumbags want control.


17 posted on 09/18/2013 11:48:21 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: neverdem

Scrap ObamaCare® first¡¡¡

No reason to muddle the waters with some New convoluted plan just so you can have bragging rights.

Idiots.

We don’t want to get a POD on a New plan.


19 posted on 09/19/2013 12:01:59 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: neverdem

*bimp*


21 posted on 09/19/2013 12:22:39 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: neverdem

I love this bill. The deductions would be huge for us. Pass it!


23 posted on 09/19/2013 12:52:47 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: neverdem

Political posturing from the GOPe RINO leadership.

Defund Obamacare.......


26 posted on 09/19/2013 1:03:16 AM PDT by Nextrush (BALANCED BUDGET NOW, PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN,CHANGE I BELIEVE IN)
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To: neverdem; All

Why are they even doing this???

The “system” as it used to be before the Obamacare law started to screw things up even more was tolerable, ot wasn’t perfect, but workable...And affordable...

If it isn’t totally broken, don’t fix it...

Much less allow the government to step in and try to take it over and manage it...

That is an ambulance looking for a lawyer to chase it!!!

You’d think the republican representatives up in D.C. would have gooten that hint that even though the “public”, you know, the voting public doesn’t want this in any way, shape or form...

Don’t introduce your idea of government provided healthcare just because the other dipsticks across the aisle did so this time...Why try to see who can wee-wee higher up on the wall in this case!!!

One of the days, hopefully real soon, the elected caste of both political factions will poke the lion (Joe Q. Public) one too many tiomes with that stick...

And the reaction will be very ugly...


29 posted on 09/19/2013 1:48:11 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: neverdem

Repeal first. Then we can talk about a replacement. If any.


30 posted on 09/19/2013 1:54:01 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: neverdem
The country does need medical reform, but not Obungacare.

The size of obungacare indicates to me that it is about power and not about health care. Likewise Mark Steyn notes that the job of director or head of public health has become the biggest govt. job in European countries which have public health care i.e. it would be a step upwards from PM or President or King or Grand Duke or anything else to head of health care. In other words, European health care is ultimate bureaucracy. If I had the power to I would institute a sort of a basic health care reform which would be overwhelmingly simple and which would resemble the thing we're reading about in no way, shape, or manner. Key points would be:

1. Elimination of lawsuits against doctors and other medical providers. There would be a general fund to compensate victims of malpractice for actual damage and a non-inbred system for weeding out those guilty of malpractice. The non-inbred system would be a tribunal composed not just of oher doctors, but of plumbers, electricians, engineers, and everybody else as well.

2. Elimination of the artificial exclusivity of the medical system. In other words our medical schools could easily produce two or three times the number of doctors they do with no noticeable drop off in quality.

3. Elimination of the factors which drive the cost of medicines towards unaffordability. That would include both lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies and government agencies which force costs into the billions to develop any new drug. There should be no suing a pharmaceutical for any drug which has passed FDA approval and somewhere between thalidamide and what we have now, there should be a happy medium.

4. Elimination of the outmoded WW-II notion of triage in favor of a system which took some rational account of who pays for the system and who doesn't. The horror stories I keep reading about the middle-class guy with an injured child having to fill out forms for three hours while an endless procession of illegal immigrants just walks in and are seen, would end, as would any possibility of that child waiting three hours for treatment while people were being seen for heroin overdoses or other lifestyle issues.

All of those things would fall under the heading of what TR called "trust busting". There would also be some system for caring the truly indigent, but the need and cost would be far less than at present.

By far the biggest item is that first one. I don't know the exact numbers but if you add every cost involved in our present out-of-control lawyering, it has to be a major fraction if not more than half of our medical costs. The trial lawyers' guild being one of the two major pillars of financial support for the democrat party is the basic reason nobody is saying anything about that part of the problem.

Other than that, you almost have to have seen some of the problems close up to have any sort of a feel for them.

Item 2, this is what I saw in grad school some time ago, although I do not have any reason to think much has changed. In the school I attended, there appeared to be sixty or seventy first year med students walking around and all but one or two of them would have made perfectly good doctors, they were all very bright and highly motivated. The only way the school should have lost any of those kids was either they discovered they couldn't deal with the sight of blood in real life or six months later they changed their minds and went off to Hollywood to become actors or actresses; the school should never have lost more than ten percent of them. But they knew from day one that they were keeping 35% of that class.

That system says that you know several things about the guy working on your body: You know he's a survivor, and that's highly unlikely to be from being better qualified than 65% of the other students; You know he hasn't had enough sleep (he's doing his work and the work of that missing 65%); You know he's probably doing some sort of drugs to deal with the lack of sleep... One of my first steps as "health Tsar" or whatever would be to tell the medical schools that henceforth if they ever drop more than15% of an incoming class, they'll lose their accreditation.

Item 3. My father walks into a pharmacy in Switzerland with a bottle of pills he normally pays $50 for in Fla. and asks the pharmacist if he can fill it. "Why certainly sir!", fills the bottle of pills and says "That will be $3.50." Seeing that my father was standing there in a state of shock, the man says "Gee, I'm sorry, Mr. V., you see, we have socialized medicine in Switzerland and if you were a Swiss citizen and paid into the systemn, why I could sell you this bottle of pills for $1.50 but, since you're foreign and do not pay into the system I have to charge you the full price, certainly you can appreciate that."

The guy thought my father was in shock because he was charging him too MUCH... Clearly whatever needs to be done with drugs amounts to trust busting, and not extracting more money from the American people.

Item 4. A caller to the Chris Plant show (D.C./WMAL) the other morning, an ER nurse, noted that much of the costs which her hospital had to absorb, as do most hospitals, was the problem of people with no resources using the ER as their first and only point of contact to the medical profession. She said that there were gang members who were constantly coming in for repairs from bullet holes and knife damage and drug problems, that they could not legally turn any of those people away, and that there was zero possibility of ever collecting any money from any of them, and that the costs of that were gigantic.

Clearly throwing money at that problems is not going to help anything either. Again if I'm the "Medicine Tsar", those guys would be cared for, but not at the ER or at least not the part of the ER where normal people go, and they would not be first in line. Mostly they'd be dealing with medical students who needed the practice patching up knife and bullet damage.

32 posted on 09/19/2013 2:04:31 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: neverdem

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35 posted on 09/19/2013 4:00:58 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: neverdem

Just one more reason that the republican leadership need to be retired... dim light and NEVER FREEDOM AND LIBERTY. They let the commies own us all by incrementalism over 100 years and they are still at it. RETIRE THEM ALL!


36 posted on 09/19/2013 4:22:27 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: neverdem

This is very good, but you wouldn’t need it if the Commerce Clause were being enforced. Wickard v. Filburn cuts both ways. If a farmer’s personal consumption affects interstate trade and commerce, how much more does a state, county or localities laws affect interstate commerce.

Via the Commerce Clause we can revolutionize the nation and return it to the 19th century of growth, entrepreneurship and liberty. Of course, don’t say 19th century when presenting this publicly, but that’s the history.


38 posted on 09/19/2013 4:37:00 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: neverdem
"Repeal and replace" = "We can do socialism better than Obama."

There is no legitimate constitutional authority for the national government to involve itself in "health care."

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”

-- James Madison, the father of the United States Constitution


43 posted on 09/19/2013 5:55:14 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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