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I have an even better idea, Bob. How about we allow real military personnel to carry real weapons on a real military base? It sure would have solved the problem of "workplace violence" at Ft. Hood and would have taken care of this situation very quickly. Bill Clinton's regulations have transformed all our military installations into "gun free zones", just like our schools. What could possibly go wrong? Oh, it already has.
1 posted on 09/18/2013 5:57:15 AM PDT by shortstop
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To: shortstop

they are all a bunch of pussies (except maybe the two who tried to stop the lunatic scum)

I am embarrassed that this criminal proceeded unimpeeded by those we pay well to serve and protect

the same sour thinking has come over the cops—don’t take any chances and go home for dinner

Disgusting, they should all be ashamed


2 posted on 09/18/2013 6:01:47 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: shortstop

Another point is, is makes us look like pussies to the world, first no defense in Banghazi, then the US Navy can’t even stop a madman on a military base

mortifying

our enemies know we are soft, all we care about is food wine sex and a warm place to take a dump

I despise what we have become. God help us


3 posted on 09/18/2013 6:03:51 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: shortstop

I wondered why so many high ranking Naval officers spoke of running away and trying to hide while a civilian was shot in the head. He continued to run! I sure would not any of them assigned to my security detail, it seems cowardly and not up to the standards of our service members.

BTW before flaming me know that I am an Honorably discharged veteran.

The military is not what it used to be....


4 posted on 09/18/2013 6:04:36 AM PDT by seeker41 (take your country back by whatever means necessary)
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To: shortstop

Fight?
Fight with WHAT, dumbass????

We be gun-free, don’cha see??


5 posted on 09/18/2013 6:05:15 AM PDT by Flintlock ("The redcoats are coming" -- TO SEIZE OUR GUNS!!--Paul Revere)
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To: shortstop; B4Ranch; bestintxas; FlingWingFlyer; upchuck; All

The wussification of America has many parents.

One such parent is Impeached, Bill “Zipper-Boy” Clinton who signed, in 1993, the Exec. Order to ban guns inside buildings on US Military posts.

To put all this in perspective, just ask this question: “What would General George Patton do?”

The surviving families from the massacres at Ft. Hood and The Navy Yard would like to know - - - - .


6 posted on 09/18/2013 6:05:46 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Ping!


9 posted on 09/18/2013 6:09:31 AM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: shortstop

The 12 civilians killed in this incident and the 13 soldiers killed at Ft. Hood can be laid at Bill Clinton’s door. Incredibly, in 1993 he issued the edict that all military bases should be gun free except for a few security personnel. Unfortunately, these guards did not manage to kill either assailant and it was up to policemen from outside to do defend the military in both attacks.

That is Bill Clinton’s shameful legacy because he distrusted and “hated” the military. Would Hillary be any better? She refused to defend the embassies she was supposed to be in charge of because she didn’t want to send in the military, so the answer is “No.”


12 posted on 09/18/2013 6:13:16 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: shortstop

The Marines teach their people to fight. The other branches have physical fitness.


13 posted on 09/18/2013 6:18:19 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: shortstop

Gun free zones are prime targets for the crazies and for for terrorists - Oh! did I repeat myself??


14 posted on 09/18/2013 6:24:18 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: shortstop

Pretty sad when the “park police” and local LEOtards are better armed than our military. And the thought of service members cowering behind barricaded doors while some crazed 0bamaite slaughters civilians is farking sickening.


15 posted on 09/18/2013 6:32:45 AM PDT by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: shortstop

This is our new, homosexualized military.


17 posted on 09/18/2013 6:37:37 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: shortstop

WTF?

The greatest military in the world has the equivalent of “school crossing guards” at the front gate?

I shiver to think about what a hardcore band of 8-10 well trained, well armed terrorists could do at an unarmed facility such as this.


22 posted on 09/18/2013 6:41:11 AM PDT by moovova
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To: shortstop

The warrior spirit was essentially destroyed by Bill and Hillary Clinton do to political correctness.


24 posted on 09/18/2013 6:42:00 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: shortstop

Back in the 80s, when I pulled Staff Duty Officer, I carried a .45. They gave me three rounds. The magazine was not to be placed into the pistol unless there was an emergency.
The military has had other concerns. First, people should be well-trained in handling a weapon. Take a look at how often our Soldiers qualify on their weapons. Ammunition and range time cost money. Most people are astounded to know that modern Soldiers fire fewer rounds per year in qualifying than the old Cavalry Troopers did. There are simulators, but I don’t think they are programmed for office situations. Our Soldiers have to be properly trained. Our society has become, according to my Dad, “A bunch of scared old ladies”. If you are taught since childhood to be meek, then you will be meek when you are older.
Weapons and ammunition have rarely been stored together in non-combat areas. There are genuine concerns with accidents, stealing and having the weapons taken away and used on others.
I knew we were in trouble when the memo came down saying that it wasn’t fair to evaluate Soldiers on their yearly efficiency report based on their performance in combat. What should you evaluate them on?


25 posted on 09/18/2013 6:44:43 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: shortstop

Soldier at post gate: Im sorry General but you cant bring that side arm on post. I will have to confisicate it, sir.

Patton: WHAT !!! (The rest of the remarks of Gen George Patten censored due to the family friendly rules of FR)


30 posted on 09/18/2013 7:26:57 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: shortstop

GUN FREE ZONE = DEATH ZONE


34 posted on 09/18/2013 8:04:17 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: shortstop

Pelosi would say, “Just talk to the guy”


36 posted on 09/18/2013 8:05:42 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: shortstop; All

Since this was a support facility, that offered access to the public in some areas, the security was right up front, for anyone to see...

For ships of the line...I believe we still have deployable commands that have internal security forces that act in what we used to call SAT/BAF teams...

When in port, the crews remaining onboard, on duty...We used to have a SAT team (Security Alert Force), in the event of the Quarterdeck or other part of the ship becoming compromised, this “small” team would with a phone call, or duress signal would make its way very discretely to the armory, pick up their assigned weapons, and proceed to the effected area to take care of the problem...

A short time later, if needed, the BAF (Backup Alert Force would make its way to the armory onboard the ship to take up their weapons and backup the SAT team, and other vital areas until the all clear was given...

Depending upon the command and type of facility or ship, the details were handled by that specific command...Who better to know your home turf than those who live onboard, or who are onboard for their duty (rotation)...

This facility relied on civilian police as the BAF, and the gate guards for the SAT...

Not a good system, IMO...One easily exploited by someone determined to wreak havoc on the subject of their attentions...

So if arming a select group of qualified individuals at every facility in the DoD is necessary, you only have to take the lessons from the Fleet to implement something very simple and effective to quickly respond to such attacks...

Just what I recall from my experience in the service...

Something that has changed obviously since I left...

And that change cost people their lives...


38 posted on 09/18/2013 8:38:37 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: shortstop
Oh, it already has. TWICE!!
40 posted on 09/18/2013 4:27:42 PM PDT by upchuck (The nobama regime: a string of omnishambles that stretches, seemingly, to infinity.)
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