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I guess they are desparate to find people to kill babies...

NP's (nurse practitioners) and PA's (physician assistants) do some of the work of doctors.

However, surgery is not one of them.

Allowing people who are not MD's perform surgery is a mistake.

Abortionists who are MD's often kill/maim women/girls in the process of performing abortions. Allowing the less qualified into this process is a serious lapse of judgement - in my opinion.

1 posted on 09/10/2013 2:33:07 PM PDT by topher
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they arent too worried they will be killing more adult women either, apparently.


2 posted on 09/10/2013 2:34:47 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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So the very people who performed abortions before RoevWade
......when all those women died
.....are going to start doing them again.


3 posted on 09/10/2013 2:34:48 PM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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It’s just a little incremental leap.

Next step: Mom’s.

After that: The “dad”, whatever gender that might be


4 posted on 09/10/2013 2:35:22 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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So... They’re legalizing “back alley abortions”? I thought Roe v. Wade was supposed to end those!


5 posted on 09/10/2013 2:36:14 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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I guess abortion advocates have given up on the old 'keep abortion safe & legal' ruse.

From back allies to abortion clinics to back allies. Nice going.

6 posted on 09/10/2013 2:36:51 PM PDT by skeeter
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Will the non-MDs also give “medical” care to the
families of the POLITICIANS????

I think not.


7 posted on 09/10/2013 2:37:13 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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Here's the perp.

8 posted on 09/10/2013 2:38:54 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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Toni Atkins (CA State Assembly member) (change to CA State Assembly majority leader), Ferol Henkels and Julia Wilson (event co-chairs), Kathleen Buoymaster and Cindy Goodman (PoP co-presidents), Todd Gloria (SD City Council president) —

9 posted on 09/10/2013 2:40:36 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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It’s okay with me as long as they pass a final exam in which they perform a retroactive abortion on themselves.


10 posted on 09/10/2013 2:41:17 PM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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Isn't the pro-abortion crowd still using the argument that unless abortion is legal women will die because of "back alley" abortions? Now, they have thrown that subterfuge aside.
They've finally admitted publicly that their goal is now and always was simply to kill babies.
14 posted on 09/10/2013 2:49:36 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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in one way we have to count this as a huge victory for the prolife side.

the left has been almost 100% unsuccessful at getting reputable doctors to be involved in abortion. across the board, across the country. most are super old geezers who’ve been doing it forever. and are old, retired, dying. worn out. have no ideas who’ll replace them.

it’s a major, major success story they haven’t been able to convert hardly any real, reputable, skilled doctors to become abortionists. Most realize abortion is not medicine and certainly “it does harm” which is why most won’t even consider doing it.


16 posted on 09/10/2013 2:50:59 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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So will they use coat hangers?
18 posted on 09/10/2013 3:06:51 PM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim (Palin was right (again)!)
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Abortion normally has a 50% fatality rate (a few babies survive and a few mothers die, but it’s pretty close to 50%). Why would it be more dangerous to have NPs, PAs, or random predators doing the procedure?


20 posted on 09/10/2013 3:09:13 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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There are a fair number of surgical PAs. They are as good as doctors in the specialty that they select.

Historical note: In the Victorian time, Surgeons were a low class service group, derived from Barbers. Physicians were higher class, as they didn’t have to actually touch sick people. Pharmacists were also low class as they were actually in trade.

One physician thought that surgeons should also know something about disease, and physicians should also something about surgery, and he put together the ‘general practitioner’ who would be able to do both. He found a lot of people who agreed, but eventually the medical field became too diverse for anyone to be good at all of it, so specialties evolved for doctors.

The Physician Assistants were invented because some military/naval corpsmen sought to find a job in the medical field after Vietnam. They were told that, after performing major surgery on wounded soldiers in Vietnam they would have to get a 4 year bachelors degree, and then 6 years medical school, just as if they had popped out of high school. They did what so many people do, they sued the AMA and won. PA programs were the response to that suit.

PAs tend to have less wide ranging skills, but are expected and required to be quite good at the ones they do. There are psychiatric PAs, surgical PAs, gerontological PAs, and obstetrical PAs, among others. Some even do research.


21 posted on 09/10/2013 3:14:45 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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well, the back alleys were good enough after all!


23 posted on 09/10/2013 3:23:51 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Henceforth, the Office of the President shall be known as IMPOTUS)
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This bill would dramatically expand surgical abortions in California by allowing nurse practitioners (NPs), certified nurse midwives (CNMs), and physician assistants (PAs) to conduct surgical “aspiration” or suction abortions of the kind generally used in the first trimester of pregnancy.

I guess that we are back to using coat hangers, but not in the back alley. That will save a lot of money and decrease the cost of killing babies, and result in fewer babies that the government has to care for.

Nice policy right up there with the Death Panels.

24 posted on 09/10/2013 3:28:29 PM PDT by olezip (Time obliterates the fictions of opinion and confirms the decisions of nature. ~ Cicero)
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Will California also shield them from the inevitable lawsuits?


25 posted on 09/10/2013 3:43:12 PM PDT by SuziQ
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California to enact new bill allowing barbers to leech
and bleed customers also extract teeth.

It’s historic says governor.


26 posted on 09/10/2013 4:41:38 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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