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Obama About to Suffer Glorious Defeat in Congress?
Townhall.com ^ | September 8, 2013 | Mike Shedlock

Posted on 09/08/2013 5:59:10 AM PDT by Kaslin

The coalition of the willing is now down to the US alone as France now wants to wait for more data on alleged gas usage. Yet, President  Obama rejects G20 pressure to abandon Syria air strike plan.

Obama Plans Full Court Press 

Inquiring minds note that Obama plans a 'full-court press' to sway Congress  and a speech to US citizens on September 10.

Obama's address to the nation from the White House on Tuesday will be part of a rejuvenated lobbying effort on Syria as Congress returns to Washington next week. A Democratic congressional aide said the administration is planning "a full-court press" aimed at undecided lawmakers.

According to a Washington Post count, only 23 senators have been willing to go on record in favor of military force, while 17 are against. It will likely take 60 of the Senate's 100 members to advance the measure to the House of Representatives.

In the House, where 218 votes will be required to pass the resolution, only 25 members are on record in support of military action so far, according to the Post, with 106 opposed.
Polls Show Citizens Solidly Against War

John Nichols writing for The Nation accurately sums up the situation in 'Nobody Wants This Except the Military-Industrial Complex'
House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, backs President Obama’s request for authorization to intervene militarily in Syria, as does House Democratic Minority Nancy Pelosi, D-California.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, is similarly “in,” while Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, in mum.

The president has done a pretty good job of selling his plan to congressional leaders.

He has not, however, sold it to the American people.

Thus, when members of Congress decide which side they’re on in the Syrian intervention votes that are expected to take place next week, they will have to consider whether they want to respond to pro-war pressure from inside-the-Beltway—as so many did when they authorized action against Iraq—or to the anti-war sentiments of their constituents.

The United States says it has determined that the Syrian government has used chemical weapons in the civil war there,” the Post/ABC poll asked. “Given this, do you support or oppose the United States launching missile strikes against the Syrian government?”


'Nobody Wants This Except the Military-Industrial Complex'

Nichols referred to a Huffington Post article quoting Congressman Alan Grayson, D-Florida, "nobody wants this except the military-industrial complex".
"One thing that is perfectly clear to me in my district, and I think is true in many other districts from speaking to other members, is that there is no desire, no desire on the part of people to be the world's policeman," Grayson said on SiriusXM's "The Agenda with Ari Rabin-Havt," which aired Thursday morning. "For us to pick up this gauntlet even on the basis of unequivocal evidence of chemical warfare by the Syrian army, deliberately against its own people -- even if there were unequivocal evidence of that -- that's just not what people in my district want."

That doesn't mean that opposition is universal, Grayson allowed. "I did notice, for what it's worth, that the manufacturer of the missiles that would be used has had an incredible run in their stock value in the last 60 days. Raytheon stock is up 20 percent in the past 60 days as the likelihood of the use of their missiles against Syria becomes more likely. So I understand that there is a certain element of our society that does benefit from this, but they're not the people who vote for me, or by the way the people who contribute to my campaign," he said. "Nobody wants this except the military-industrial complex."
Expected Votes on Authorizing Military Strike



The End of U.S. Imperium—Finally!

An article on The Daily Beast by David Stockman contains so much uncommon sense that it makes me want to stand up and salute!

Please consider The End of U.S. Imperium—Finally! by David Stockman.
Next week Congress can do far more than stop a feckless Tomahawk barrage on a small country that is already a graveyard of civil war and sectarian slaughter. By voting “no,” it can trigger the end of the American Imperium—five decades of incessant meddling, bullying, and subversion around the globe that has added precious little to national security but left America fiscally exhausted and morally diminished.

Indeed, the tragedy of this vast string of misbegotten interventions—from the 1953 coup against Mohammad Mosaddegh in Iran through the recent bombing campaign in Libya—is that virtually none of them involved defending the homeland or any tangible, steely-eyed linkages to national security. They were all rooted in ideology—that is, anti-communism, anti-terrorism, humanitarianism, R2P-ism, nation building, American exceptionalism. These were the historic building blocks of a failed Pax Americana. Now the White House wants authorization for the last straw: namely, to deliver from the firing tubes of U.S. naval destroyers a dose of righteous “punishment” that has no plausible military or strategic purpose. By the president’s own statements, the proposed attack is merely designed to censure the Syrian regime for allegedly visiting one particularly horrific form of violence on its own citizens.

Well, really? After having rained napalm, white phosphorous, bunker busters, drone missiles, and the most violent machinery of conventional warfare ever assembled upon millions of innocent Vietnamese, Cambodians, Serbs, Somalis, Iraqis, Afghans, Pakistanis, Yemeni, Libyans, and countless more, Washington now presupposes to be in the moral-sanctions business? That’s downright farcical. Nevertheless, by declaring himself the world’s spanker in chief, President Obama has unwittingly precipitated the mother of all clarifying moments.

The recurrent phony narratives that generate these war-drum campaigns and then rationalize their disastrous aftermaths are rooted in a common structural cause: a vastly bloated war machine and national spying apparatus, the Imperial Presidency, and the house-trained lap-dogs that occupy the congressional intelligence, foreign affairs, and defense committees. This triangle of deception keeps the American public bamboozled with superficial propaganda and the media supplied with short bursts of reality TV when the Tomahawks are periodically let fly.

But it is the backbone of the permanent warfare-state bureaucracy that keeps the gambit going. Presidents come and go, but it is now obvious that virtually any ideological script—left or right—can be co-opted into service of the Imperium. The Obama White House’s preposterous drive to intervene in the Syrian tinderbox with its inherent potential for fractures and blowback across the entire Middle East is being ramrodded by the dogma of “responsibility to protect.” In that context, its chief protagonists—Susan Rice and Samantha Power—are the moral equivalent of Bush’s neocon hit men, Douglas Feith and Paul Wolfowitz. In both cases, ideological agendas that have absolutely nothing to do with the safety of the American people were enabled to activate the awful violence of the American war machine mainly because it was there, marching in place waiting for an assignment.
Heart of the Hypocrisy

In case you missed it, Stockman nails the heart of US war-mongering hypocrisy with this question:

"After having rained napalm, white phosphorous, bunker busters, drone missiles, and the most violent machinery of conventional warfare ever assembled upon millions of innocent Vietnamese, Cambodians, Serbs, Somalis, Iraqis, Afghans, Pakistanis, Yemeni, Libyans, and countless more, Washington now presupposes to be in the moral-sanctions business?"

There is much more in the article. Please take a look.

David Stockman is also the author of The Great Deformation: The Corruption of Capitalism in America and the #1 New York Times bestseller The Triumph of Politics: Why the Reagan Revolution Failed.

Is this the "End of U.S. Imperium"? Finally?
We should all hope so.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: 0bama; syria; wars
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1 posted on 09/08/2013 5:59:10 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

obama’s Stalingrad?


2 posted on 09/08/2013 6:01:00 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Kaslin

Draw it out make Obama spend as much political capitol on this as he can and draw draw his attention away from amnesty.


3 posted on 09/08/2013 6:04:11 AM PDT by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing Corksucker.)
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To: 2banana
Stalingrad, Waterloo, and Dien Bien Phu all rolled into one.

We can only hope and pray. Him and his DemCom party and all the GOP-e's who've been just itching to go along with them.

4 posted on 09/08/2013 6:04:38 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: 2banana

“obama’s Stalingrad?”

Remember, Bammy’s going to be in office for no more than three more years, we hope. Someone is going to have to pick up the pieces of this mess.


5 posted on 09/08/2013 6:06:12 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Kaslin
Obama plans a 'full-court press' to sway Congress

Ooooooooo! Sounds scary.

6 posted on 09/08/2013 6:07:15 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Producing Talk Show Prep since 1998.)
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To: amnestynone

We already look like the fool of the world, so yes, I agree with you completely, drag this embarassment out for as long as possible.

Already some are saying that amnesty won’t be talked about until 2014 or even 2016.


7 posted on 09/08/2013 6:09:31 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (SWAT stands for Storing Weapons for patriots to Attack Tyranny.)
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To: Kaslin
After having rained napalm, white phosphorous, bunker busters, drone missiles, and the most violent machinery of conventional warfare ever assembled upon millions of innocent Vietnamese, Cambodians, Serbs, Somalis, Iraqis, Afghans, Pakistanis, Yemeni, Libyans, and countless more, Washington now presupposes to be in the moral-sanctions business? That’s downright farcical. Nevertheless, by declaring himself the world’s spanker in chief, President Obama has unwittingly precipitated the mother of all clarifying moments.

The ugly truth. It's not about "the children" or anything humanitarian. The Leftists in particular pick and choose which humans have worth in their eyes .... not Christians being slaughtered, not Rwandans being sliced up with machetes, not the unborn. Just like Obamacare which received not one Repub vote when it was initially passed, if the Repubs fund it now, they own it. If ANYBODY votes for this latest Obama debacle, which very well may end up as WWIII, they OWN it along with Obama. I'm so disgusted with all of them, I can't express it in words.

8 posted on 09/08/2013 6:10:24 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: Kaslin
He damn well better suffer a defeat.

If he decides to go to war anyway there should be articles of impeachment brought to the floor; although I won't hold my breath for that to happen.

9 posted on 09/08/2013 6:11:02 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Kaslin

He will suffer defeat IF enough people call congress. Flood the lines on Monday. Call your reps, call Boehner, call Eric Cantor, call Kevin McCarthy.

To paraphrase Jim Cramer: call, call, call!!!


10 posted on 09/08/2013 6:12:00 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Balding_Eagle

Not only that if GOP legislators vote for it then they will have no ability to vote for amnesty due to an outraged base. Amnesty is more important than any other issue now because we could lose everything on it.


11 posted on 09/08/2013 6:12:31 AM PDT by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing Corksucker.)
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To: MissMagnolia
Very well said.

I am still stunned this guy is still in office.

12 posted on 09/08/2013 6:12:59 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Starboard
I email my congressman and both my senators.

After I mentioned it to my parish priest prior to Mass, he made it a point to tell the people to email if they could not get through to their representatives.

13 posted on 09/08/2013 6:13:53 AM PDT by mware
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To: Starboard

I am planning to call my rep, although she had let it known that she is leaning No. I just want to make sure of it


14 posted on 09/08/2013 6:15:14 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

The protesters are carrying weapons grade signs. The manufactured sticks are long enough to be used as weapons against police.

the article also gets bogged down in unnecessary and erroneous detail.

The reason for the actions described is money, business and national interests. Those are the reasons for war with Syria.

Syria must fall to weaken the Iranians whose objective is to control all the wealth in the region. It is in our commercial interest to have Iran fall.


15 posted on 09/08/2013 6:16:11 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: Kaslin

I am in league with Grayson? How has this happened? Is this earth? Am i awake?


16 posted on 09/08/2013 6:16:23 AM PDT by chasio649
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To: Kaslin

The rebels are worse then the military! Most of America has tuned out Omoron. My wife and I fight over the remote to hit mute whenever he comes on the news. He will be talking to dead air.


17 posted on 09/08/2013 6:16:34 AM PDT by Plumres
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To: Kaslin
We hope. But keep in mind that because of the NSA Obama knows not only which of their, [Congress members, particularly Republicans] laundry is dirty, but where they keep it.

this is why Obama is delaying the vote, to allow them to reflect on the above fact. the implied question is,"Do we want our personal secrets leaked to the media?"

18 posted on 09/08/2013 6:17:27 AM PDT by sport
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To: OKSooner

“We don’t want no din bin foo” -LBJ


19 posted on 09/08/2013 6:17:45 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Kaslin

Next: Obama beheads Congress.


20 posted on 09/08/2013 6:18:28 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama: the bearded lady of the Muslim Brotherhood))
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