Posted on 09/02/2013 2:29:47 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
His sudden pro-war stance... can attack a sovereign nation without authorization from Congress (unlike the Iraq war when George W. Bush obtained authorization from both houses of Congress)... that the U.S. must go it alone and attack unilaterally (unlike the coalition of the willing of some 40 nations that joined us in Iraq)... unnecessary even to approach the UN (unlike Iraq when the Bush administration desperately sought UN support)... must make a judgment call on the likelihood of WMD use, which is grounds ipso facto to go to war (unlike Iraq when the vast majority of the 23 congressionally authorized writs had nothing to do with WMD [e.g., genocide of the Marsh Arabs and Kurds, bounties to suicide bombers, harboring of international terrorists, violations of UN agreements, attempts to kill a former U.S. president, etc.]).
The only thing I’m afraid of.. is that Congress generally is in control of the Cabal as well..
And maybe even the Supremes..
Both Congress and the Supreme Court have degenerated into walking, talking, living, breathing rubber stamps for the Executive branch. The two political parties are the two faces of the Government party. There's no Easter bunny, Santa Claus, or tooth færie.
But also domestically. The free America must be torn down to make way for his socialist dictatorship
Nope, I stand for the work of the Cross.
That Cross was why God offered you guys forgiveness and it still is why.
The Cross does its work whether or not you recognize it now. It doesn’t depend on you exalting it right now, it depends on you exalting the Lord Himself — the same Jehovah you knew from Abraham’s time. The Lord will clear up that matter in due time. Isaiah 53 was your look ahead; if you want to parse it all differently that doesn’t change what it meant.
I find it strange that you are not jealous for the name of the Lord. Many serious Orthodox Jews are.
.. WE're working on that..... have faith...
Jesus rejected certain aspects of Jewish practice and said who he thought he was but he did not meet the precise criteria to be considered the Messiah, hence, he was rejected.
That rejection has cost us quad-upteen-trillions in life and property and peace.
I do not want to get into polemics here with you because I respect your belief. Will you respect mine? Note that I do not “offer” you anything, no cross, no Judaic belief, no promises of anything because we Jews do not proselytize. I will not tell or sell you my faith because it is not for sale or for the highest bidder. Nor is it in my interest to convince or persuade you that I am more right than you. You offer me the Cross but I have the one and only G-d who's name we do not even mention, no "Jehovah" (by the way, that is not the correct pronunciation of His name). What does it mean to be "jealous" for the name of the Lord? Serious Orthodox Jews are not "jealous" in the sense that I understand it. Orthodox Jews reject your entire thesis out of hand. I at least am in a dialog with you. They (the Orthodox) would not even engage you on this subject. So, what do we learn here? Tolerance.
I mean, like I discovered that the Lord was more interested in His human creatures than simply wanting them to hope He might get around to doing something nice for them. This was clear from the very start of the bible events. An infinitely powerful God who stooped to personally visiting a pair of sinners in a garden, then later to telling (alas, in vain) Cain to cheer up and try again the right way when his first sacrifice failed, has to have a good reason for reining in His own majesty to the extent of making such an encounter even possible without killing the person who was encountered.
Christians boldly assert that the reason was revealed to them. Differ if you must, but you cannot deny the utter change of world view it imparts in a life; a horribly feared God becomes a fantastically loved God. Those treating the Christ as some club mascot to be fanatically defended from desecration by outsiders are at best very weak, and likely have no clue at all. You are safe (and wise) to ignore them. Listen to the ones who show the love, who will forgive you when you have cursed them out to the maximum. Those are the real Christians.
Nobody is cursing out anybody...
Remain true to your beliefs and take part in the G-d of love, your G-d of love.
I would note a curious asymmetry to our positions, though.
We Christians state that your faith is valid, but we know a larger context for it.
You... and go ahead and read just what you wrote... really trashed the basis of Christianity. Now if Christ were a mascot to me I’d be all over you like hair on a bear for that. But Christ is far larger than anything you can do to Him. He just wants men to stop... then He will forgive them and bless them and use even the occasions of their sin to bestow grace and glory upon them. These are God sized tasks, friend. Phonies could not do this.
May the good Lord grant you a wonderful, blessed New Year.
Oh... and the reason (referring to earlier statements you made) Jesus didn’t “worship a Son” was that He WAS the Son, having temporarily donned garments of human flesh to make the ultimately humble personal visit to Earth. I think you even know that Christians teach this, it certainly is no big secret they keep, but your attitude of disdain has warped it into a misrepresentation. Similarly the gospels point to a Holy Spirit (which is also what Moses saw in the bush, and spoken of numerous times in the Hebrew scriptures). And a Father is agreed to by all. God didn’t have to tell everyone from the start everything about who He was, in order to do what He did. He’s God, we’re man, we don’t have to have the entire master plan for God to keep right on being God, as if God existed by understanding of some human committee!
You can go to Church or Synagogue punctually everyday but if you run your life outside of these Man to Man values, you are in trouble.
So, we put our behavior and values above the Synagogue building edifice. This is where it counts. I do not need absolution from a Priest or Rabbi. These men are men, not above G-d and they are guides but not more than that.
Man did not need and intermediary demi-G-d in order for His message to be understood. It's between you and your Creator.
In any event, thank you for those Rosh Ha Shana (Jewish New Year blessings.
We have been at this 5,774 years by now and our faith and adherence to Torah has lasted all tests of time.
Thank you Sir.
How many distortions are here in your answer? Surely even if you disagree you’d like to get the facts straight?
It’s Trinity, not Trilogy. A trilogy is what a fiction author might write. A “trinity” is a term Christians came up with to describe what had already been revealed to them as a real God possessing a character that manifests in three persons, and interestingly enough trinitarians are accepted as monotheists in most rabbinical circles (one common analogy is that the three Persons are viewed as spokes in a wheel that yet remains one wheel). This happens to matter to the rabbis when the Christian is a servant in a Jewish household, for instance, so that various customary prohibitions on idolaters and polytheists are not violated. God let it matter to them so that they would go clearly on record about it.
The priestly confession is a Roman Catholic practice. Crazy evangelicals like me beg to disagree about that. Confession and forsaking of sin, personally and privately, to the Lord is sufficient and several New Testament verses back that up. At best a congregational leader facilitating a confession is led by God in which case they are only giving a reading of what God says, which will always be to accept a sincere confession. And they shouldn’t be sloppy about presuming that they are getting a reading from God any more than any Joe Blow could be a Hebrew prophet.
We Christians do assert that no man has the right to place a spiritual bondage upon another man. All such bondage is held as null and void by the Lord. If you won’t forgive your neighbor, that doesn’t put a valid spiritual claim against your neighbor. Yes this flies in the face of a lot of rabbinical custom and you should get a clue that these rabbis are playing with spiritual fire here!
God is not preserving you folks because your behavior is so wonderful or even because you say you adhere to a Torah you break every day. God is preserving you folks because God promised to — WELL before the Law was given. Don’t give your efforts such airs. Give the Lord some glory for what He has done for you in spite of you.
Also... you DID trash it... read your words, a quite distorted account of Christian claims and no attempt to even understand... you hate the Christian claims, admit it. Hate them to the bottom of your heart.
If Christians had the slightest reason to believe Christ was anything less than real, would they be trying to bless people having such hate? They wouldn’t. Why court the headache?
You’re proud of your faith, how it has kept you and your people (as you view it). How about being infinitely MORE proud of the Lord God for what He has done for you, even as you understand Him now? That’s what I mean by being jealous for His name. One’s name is one’s fame, in biblical terms. Consider Job. Job had to be taught a painful lesson so he wouldn’t get stuck in his worship life, as well as he was doing. God wanted Job to open up to a fuller reverence of the Lord in His glory. Once Job did, then Job was blessed twice as much.
Hate them to the bottom of your heart.
If you take my views in a hateful sense then you have gotten me wrong. I do not hate you or your Christian faith. My words are meant basically to say, look:
You accept Jesus and that is fine.
We do not feel that He fulfilled all the constraints required to be a Messiah. Again, He was revolutionary Jew, with a different approach that, well, caught on with the masses in the West. Jesus was a Jew and lived as a Jew. Christianity was born after he passed from this world.
As I stated before, our rejection of what is for you the Lord has enraged Christianity for 2 milennia. My people, the Chosen people have been targeted by other faiths for a very long time.
I can see you're getting all worked up, thinking I am attacking your position. I am not, I am, however rejecting your concept FOR ME, not for you and other Christians.
I think at a time where Islam is waging war on both you and me, that we need more dialog and less emotional hurt so, please give it a try, ok?
“Emotional upset”? You’re projecting mightily upon me; I tell you what I tell you pretty much in great calmness; “just the facts, Jack.”
Yes, Jesus “miserably failed” the Pharisees’ test. He wanted to bring heaven to all humans. The Pharisees got bummed out over Jesus’ failure to deliver the Jews from the Romans. Jesus sought to deliver the Jews from something worse than Romans. Jesus sought to deliver the Jews from sin and Satan; and if that could be achieved then the Romans would be no problem at all; they’d become loving friends. The messianic theology you have is 90% manmade.
So the spotlight has passed over TEMPORARILY to the Gentiles. God, in His unique manner of seeking to bring matters to a head, has said to the Jews something like “OK, you think my Christ is nasty? Well I will show you what nasty is! I will send you nasty Christians! But I won’t destroy you because I promised you a perpetual posterity. And you will eventually get the point and accept My love.”
Anyhow, you can at least make a start by cheering on and loving your own God as you understand Him right now. It will bring you great power if you do. He’s not there playing dice on a calendar for your lucky day; He’s patiently waiting for you folks.
And about Islam... there’s a deeper culprit here. It’s Satan. If the currently Islamic people gave Satan his walking papers by means of embracing God’s salvation, then they’d become Christian friends and would be practically falling over one another to get you Jews a Holy Land just like the bible promised. They are captives too to sin and Satan. God’s not the one with the grudge here, pal... it’s people who are.
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