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To: Netz

Nope, I stand for the work of the Cross.

That Cross was why God offered you guys forgiveness and it still is why.

The Cross does its work whether or not you recognize it now. It doesn’t depend on you exalting it right now, it depends on you exalting the Lord Himself — the same Jehovah you knew from Abraham’s time. The Lord will clear up that matter in due time. Isaiah 53 was your look ahead; if you want to parse it all differently that doesn’t change what it meant.

I find it strange that you are not jealous for the name of the Lord. Many serious Orthodox Jews are.


27 posted on 09/02/2013 11:08:45 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
When was the Cross offered?
Jesus being a practicing Jew had no cross, had no Christianity, had no Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

Jesus rejected certain aspects of Jewish practice and said who he thought he was but he did not meet the precise criteria to be considered the Messiah, hence, he was rejected.

That rejection has cost us quad-upteen-trillions in life and property and peace.

I do not want to get into polemics here with you because I respect your belief. Will you respect mine? Note that I do not “offer” you anything, no cross, no Judaic belief, no promises of anything because we Jews do not proselytize. I will not tell or sell you my faith because it is not for sale or for the highest bidder. Nor is it in my interest to convince or persuade you that I am more right than you. You offer me the Cross but I have the one and only G-d who's name we do not even mention, no "Jehovah" (by the way, that is not the correct pronunciation of His name). What does it mean to be "jealous" for the name of the Lord? Serious Orthodox Jews are not "jealous" in the sense that I understand it. Orthodox Jews reject your entire thesis out of hand. I at least am in a dialog with you. They (the Orthodox) would not even engage you on this subject. So, what do we learn here? Tolerance.

29 posted on 09/03/2013 9:31:04 AM PDT by Netz
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