Posted on 08/29/2013 6:32:41 AM PDT by Lakeshark
The Presidential Eligibility of Ted Cruz
Got your attention yet? I have a modest proposal for ALL FReepers concerning this issue, but let me explain why there is a proposal at all.
The last couple of weeks our venerable and sainted media (peace be unto them) has decided to, after all these years of silence, bring up the issue of Presidential eligibility. The strange appearance of article after article would make you think they were about to expose the birth certificate of messiah Bambi from a Kenyan hospital and show proof of a renouncement of his citizenship while in Indonesia .
Alas, no it’s not about the eligibility of our current fearless reader, instead it’s about the eligibility of Senator Ted Cruz. For those of us hiding under rocks, Ted Cruz just happens to be one of the finest conservatives to hold office. He’s smart, engaging, persuasive, handles MSM traitors journolists like pathetic kindergartners begging for more candy, presents conservatism naturally as a compelling counter to totalitarian leftismliberalism, plus he really wants to move the country to the right normal place of excellence it once was.
Right now, Ted Cruz is trying to rally the GOP to try to defund Bambicare. He is lobbying for it in the Senate, the House, and more important is rallying the GOP voters to sign a petition urging all GOP members of Congress to join the effort to defund this monstrosity. He is in the breach, fighting the good fight, he is the spearhead of this effort. With this and other efforts he appears to have risen to the top of the leadership of conservatives in America. He has the ear and confidence of most conservatives at this point.
So, does anyone hear believe the MSM is interested in simply following the Constitution when they bring up the question of his eligibility? If you do, read no further. If you don’t believe the MSM wants us to be fighting amongst ourselves at this point, read no further.
Based on what I’ve said above: Here is my proposal:
As conservatives, as FReepers, let’s no longer do what the MSM/Soros/democrat complex wants us to do on this issue, namely fight over the eligibility of Ted Cruz and divide the conservative movement at this crucial time. For those of you who believe he is not eligible, understand these two facts:
1. Senator Cruz has not declared for a presidential run at this point, so there is NO issue. Kindly stop making it an issue, particularly right now. Stop. Cease. Desist. It is not important, he’s not running yet. Kindly don't post articles from the MSM or comment on said articles if they are only about the eligibility of Ted Cruz.
2.You are doing the bidding of the MSM/Soros/democrat complex when you do so. They’ve made it clear they want to divide us on this issue, don’t take the bait. Also, see 1. above. Kindly realize that when the Wa ComPost runs 12 articles in 2 days about this issue, it’s not to help conservatives unite.
For those of us who think he is eligible. Remember number 1. above: He is not yet running, there are more important things to do right now. If you see someone on the opposing side, I suggest you link them to this proposal and ask them if they want to continue to divide conservatives during this crucial time, ask them if they really want to carry the water of the media/Soros/democrat complex.
So here again to all: Let’s call a truce on this issue. Not to surrender your beliefs, no one has to do that yet, he is not running. Rather, let’s unite behind the conservative principles that Cruz is pointing us all to, particularly let’s unite to ask the GOP to defund Bambicare. It’s important to do so rather than to quibble over what is at this time, a nonexistent issue ginned up by our domestic opposition.
Thank you for your support.
Yes, there are some nut-job birthers, but you're labeling a whole group of FReepers who are genuinely concerned about a constitutional question. For the record, the official position of the U.S. government via the State Department's Foreign Affairs manual is as follows:
7 FAM 1131.6-2 Eligibility for PresidencyYes, Ted Cruz is a citizen, absolutely. He is a statutory citizen at birth born abroad to a U.S. citizen mother. Whether or not he is eligible to the presidency has not been established by the courts. I believe they would rule in his favor, but any debate on the matter is opinion. Both sides have presented relevant case law and historical legal opinions in support of their arguments.
(TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998)a. It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency.
d. (snip) In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes.
Agreed! FORCE the Constitutional determination early.
Not useless when the majority of FR now refuses to ever do it again. See all those posts lately saying ‘Never again” from prior Romney voters? Those are not your imagination. They admitted their mistake. You can too. He lost as predicted. You lost and defend it. Whatever.
You are here to serve as an example of what not to keep doing. I am thankful for your help really.
I think it means BOTH born of citizen parentS AND born on US soil.
With no legal determination of the definition we have an occupier of the White House whose father was never a citizen, never intended to even be a citizen, and never even liked America, one who may well have been born in Kenya or Canada, one whose mother was too young to convey citizenship by her self, and we can't eve ask to see his true records.
I was thinking Dems would pull out the lack of jus solis at the last minute, but the Rs are just as likely to do it. For sure and certain it will be brought up at the last minute to disqualify him. That's why it's better to bring it up now, rather than later.
An asteroid doesn’t even look like an aster.
The US Supreme Court has already cited the definition of 'natural born Citizen'in five separate cases. The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.
Obama wasn't challenged by congress because the republicans were too scared of the leftist media calling them racist. That trumped their duty to uphold their sworn oath to protect the Constitution.
I swallowed my nausea and voted for Romney.
Never, ever again will I vote for a liberal with an “R” after his name. Never (deleted bad word) again. Nope. Why waste driving to town with the envelope? Why spend 3 bucks on gas and a half an hour of my precious human life to vote for liberal elitist scum who likely will lose due to massive criminal election fraud by dems, anyway?
The entire “let’s elect better guys next time” is like Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown.
We have an R majority in Congress and what good is it, might as well have a bunch of neutered pants wetting bunny wabbits held in thrall by a cobra sitting in deecee.
...oh, wait - we do!
I have always considered myself and my brother as a ‘citizen’ at birth by being born in the USA. We even went to war in WWII as ‘citizens’ in which my brother was killed on Okinawa. However, I never considered myself or my brother as ‘natural born(USA) citizens’ because our parents as immigrants were not naturalized citizens. I have no problem with recognizing the unique attribute of ‘natural born’ citizen not applying to either my brother or myself even though as a second grader I had thoughts of being POTUSA.
He is eligible as intended by the Founding Fathers. They only intended that no one with divided loyalties be Presdient. They never intended this to be a bureaucratic bungle. Wake the F up.
If you were born on U.S. soil under the 14th Amendment AND fought for my liberties, I count you as a brother. I believe those who serve deserve special exceptions to strict legal interpretations of the law. I think the Founding Fathers felt the same. There is no greater proof of allegiance to the U.S. than your willingness to spill your blood for it. Thank you for defending my liberties, sir.
only under your self aggrandized illusion, or delusion, is he inelegible. Under orginal intent, he’s a keeper!
What I'm saying is what I've always said: I won't vote for him for POTUS because he was born in Canada to a Cuban father.
That's not natural born or even native born, and gave you my reasons, but please focus on what you like best and dismiss the rest.
I only ask that you note that I've never said a bad thing about Ted Cruz, have donated to his candidacy and thanked those who voted for him. I strongly support him for Senate leadership!
Anyway, since "they" say if you bring Hitler into an argument, you've already lost, I doubled up for you and added Napoleon.
Just trying to help...
Yes, he is the only man... we do have a mighty wonderful woman also... maybe they will team up!
5 times? When was the last one?
IIRC, Norman Mailer coined the term “factoid.” And it meant what I just said it meant. One more example of people hearing a word or phrase and mis)using it without checking on the meaning. Like “begs the question.”
From what I can tell, the Court has stated on several occasions that the Constitution does NOT define “natural born citizen.” Further, their rulings have been affirmative with respects to everyone born to 2 citizens on this soil. In a quick perusal, none of them specifically ruled OUT someone in Cruz’s situation. These are two different situations.
Moreover, these rulings were last made in 1898, AND, more to the point, had nothing to do with the issue at hand here, and therefore, were all very narrow rulings that cannot be extrapolated to speak to Cruz’ situation.
I understand and respect your position, but how do we resolve the theoretical problem of a child born and raised within the “axis of evil” to a U.S. citizen mother? That child is a statutory citizen at birth with no allegiance to the U.S.
Do we leave the decision of his eligibility to the voters, electoral college, and Congressional certification of the electoral votes? Do we pass legislation to prevent his eligibility? Do we leave it to the respective political parties’ national conventions and nomination processes?
There is no ‘if’ to my birth date and place of birth. I have my birth and service papers. Sometimes I get caught up emotionally to the extent that I would only have a service person, either sex, be eligible for USA Commander-in- Chief. Of course I could be sorry for what I wish when I think of McCain, Dempsey, and others.
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