Posted on 08/22/2013 11:52:50 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
>>What makes you think that hasn’t happened yet?<<
Of course it’s happened...I have no doubt. Obozo, I believe is an example of this.
He took on Indonesian citizenship...that’s a fact. His dad was Kenyan...that’s a fact.
On a local level, in heavily messy-can communities...you bet your bottom dollar this sort of thing goes on.
For those with the protective coloration, the definition is whatever they choose to make it.
Yes, sir. Bring it home.
And now we discuss a new Constitutional Convention, at which we will destroy concepts that have preserved us for so long, with vague legalisms that will bind no one, and authorize everything, depending on the desires of those in power at any given time.
None of the changes we institute, should a Con Con be held, will ever advance the cause of human liberty and individual freedom, other than by justifying it with the idea that it is being done so that we do not make a mistake and it is for our own good.
The entire system of limited government is a think of the past, and a Con Con will merely formally recognize that fact.
The truth is whatever people say it is, and is not something that exists independent of the human psyche.
I do like your definition here. It is from an unused and out of date dictionary, I think.
D@mn straight F*** the Constitution.
[An alien parent’s] “allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate, and, although but local and temporary, continuing only so long as he remains within our territory, is yet, in the words of Lord Coke in Calvin’s Case, 7 Coke, 6a, ’strong enough to make a natural subject, for, if he hath issue here, that issue is a natural-born subject’”
“Subject’ and ‘citizen’ are, in a degree, convertible terms as applied to natives; and though the term ‘citizen’ seems to be appropriate to republican freemen, yet we are, equally with the inhabitants of all other countries, ’subjects,’ for we are equally bound by allegiance and subjection to the government and law of the land.’
and
…every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.”
-United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)-
We rejected English Common Law. That’s why we fought for our independence. Given the profound differences between the citizenship rules associated with the English common law and those connected with American national citizenship, it is evident that the Founders did not use English common law to define what an Article II “natural born Citizen” is but rather used the law of nations for that purpose which became incorporated into and became federal common law.
Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story’s
“Commentary on the Constitution”,
which was written within a generation
of its adoption, implies that even a
natural-born citizen who assumes foreign
citizenship at any time thereby forfeits
his eligibility ever to assume the office
of President.
But where did your opinion come from? A lot of people share it, but it appears to be folklore. It's certainly not in the Constitution.
Is it just something you think should be the case?
Cruz isn’t going to run. He’s waing his dual Citizenship just to see which way the rats will run. It’s a brilliant play.
But where did your opinion come from? A lot of people share it, but it appears to be folklore. It's certainly not in the Constitution.
Is it just something you think should be the case?
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There are some places where persons of authority have defined or discussed the term as being born to citizen parents.
For starters, have a look at how Rep. Bingham of Ohio defined the term. A person of great authority on citizenship in the U.S.
Sorry, an administrative judge in and administrative court court is not real judge in the sense you are thinking. It is an administrative hearing, somewhat similar to a traffic court. Appealing a decision from an administrative court decision gets you into a real court.
HEY! I just ran across some old thing written about Schwartzenegger by some group that was against him running for Prez. It mentioned Article 2, and some other pertinent “stuff”. It was interesting even if it was pre ‘08. I don’t want to link it, because I don’t know the site, and it mentions Alex Jones (but isn’t linked to him). I was surprised at many of the parallels between obama and Schwartzenegger, some stuff I didn’t know.
SNIP:
“On top of it all, Arnold Schwarzenegger has never given up his dual-citizenship with Austria, and he is continually involved in Austria’s internal politics.
The Arnold camp has talked about how, if he can’t become US President he might move back to Austria and become President there. Good. Good riddance, we say.
After all, Arnold has campaigned in Austria before — for nazi war criminal Kurt Waldheim. At the height of an international scandal in 1986 Arnold said in front of a crowd of family, friends and news media that he didn’t care about Waldheim’s nazi past, he was going to support him. He was even on campaign posters.
Even if you want to ignore all of the evidence showing what a dark character Schwarzenegger is, then pay attention to the polls which indicate that the vast majority of Americans, even naive Arnold supporters don’t want him to be President.
Arnold’s people certainly know this. That’s why they’ve had everybody from Senator John McCain, Senator Ted Kennedy, Senator Orin Hatch, to Congressman Dana Rohrbacher out stumping for him in the weeks prior to his high-level political operatives launching this transparently fake “grassroots” campaign, Amend for Arnold.
Congressman Dana Rohrbacher, after introducing a Bill in the House (one of four bills all dubbed “Arnold Bills”) that would repeal the law barring Schwarzenegger from being President, told the press that the bill wasn’t for Arnold, but was for all immigrants.”
So, Arnold had the establishment Repubs on his side, pushing behind the scenes.
Name of that page was “Arnold Exposed”.
And all this British/Kenyan citizenship is based on the mythical life presented in Ayers’ book “Dreams”.
The elephant in the room is the fact that his birth cert. being a forgery points to the information on it being false.
In which case, who was his mother? His father? Date of birth? Birth location?
People pretending that there isn’t an elephant in the room is not helping matters at all.
Even according to the fake life story, he’s not eligible. So what is the real story of his life? More eligible or less? I think I know the answer to that one.
Good points.
Unfortunately so many people now consider that we have nothing to learn from history; such people are like mindless animals driven by immediate sensory input which completely bypasses the intelligence.
/Well and simply put.
And that definition was commonly and universally understood until very recently, when Steaming Pile started stirring.
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