[bluecat6]

So what man-made (positive) law makes NATURAL born Citizens - citizens?

You can be born a citizen. Like the people of Puerto Rico.

And that makes you a BORN citizen - a superset of natural born citizens.

But the people of Puerto Rico need a to be citizens of the US. They are collectively naturalized. They are LEGALLY NATURALIZED citizens - though the vast majority of them have never gone through any ‘naturalization process’. The process is based on the law and the law says - born in Puerto Rico - you are collectively NATURALIZED - AT birth.

Any and all laws passed by Congress that MAKE someone a citizen are a form of naturalization. Congress is ONLY charged with laws for the NATURALIZATION of citizens. So ANY law Congress makes granting citizenship is a form of naturalization. Natural born Citizens are not citizens due to some law made up by Congress. They are - natural.

[Impy]

Go have a juice box, the big people are talking about the next election.

[Spaulding]

"Any and all laws passed by Congress that MAKE someone a citizen are a form of naturalization. Congress is ONLY charged with laws for the NATURALIZATION of citizens. So ANY law Congress makes granting citizenship is a form of naturalization. Natural born Citizens are not citizens due to some law made up by Congress. They are - natural."

May I steal that paragraph bluecat6? Perfectly expressed, and perfectly true.

Several wondered how laws can exist that weren’t created by man, xo I returned to my little copy of that statement written by the founder of our first law school, at William and Mary in 1779, Thomas Jefferson, the author of The Declaration of Independence. He wanted to form a government where citizens could “...assume among the Powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Natures God entitle them...” These were the rights granted by God - by Nature.

Jefferson’s principal source was Vattel’s “The Law of Nations, Or Principles of the Law of Nature, Applied to the Conduct and Affairs of Nations and Sovereigns.” For Jefferson, and many if not most philosophers of the enlightenment, the Law of Nature - Natural Law - was God given. There were many other interpreters of Natural Law, Grotius, Pufendorf, Liebniz, Wolff... but Vattel was so well organized and clearly written that Jefferson made it the first, and by far the most cited, legal text in the U.S.. When Jefferson’s library was audited after his death there were three copies of Law of nations.