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To: bluecat6
"Any and all laws passed by Congress that MAKE someone a citizen are a form of naturalization. Congress is ONLY charged with laws for the NATURALIZATION of citizens. So ANY law Congress makes granting citizenship is a form of naturalization. Natural born Citizens are not citizens due to some law made up by Congress. They are - natural."

May I steal that paragraph bluecat6? Perfectly expressed, and perfectly true.

Several wondered how laws can exist that weren’t created by man, xo I returned to my little copy of that statement written by the founder of our first law school, at William and Mary in 1779, Thomas Jefferson, the author of The Declaration of Independence. He wanted to form a government where citizens could “...assume among the Powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Natures God entitle them...” These were the rights granted by God - by Nature.

Jefferson’s principal source was Vattel’s “The Law of Nations, Or Principles of the Law of Nature, Applied to the Conduct and Affairs of Nations and Sovereigns.” For Jefferson, and many if not most philosophers of the enlightenment, the Law of Nature - Natural Law - was God given. There were many other interpreters of Natural Law, Grotius, Pufendorf, Liebniz, Wolff... but Vattel was so well organized and clearly written that Jefferson made it the first, and by far the most cited, legal text in the U.S.. When Jefferson’s library was audited after his death there were three copies of Law of nations.

70 posted on 08/20/2013 8:38:27 PM PDT by Spaulding
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To: Spaulding

Please steal and propagate away.

It is time that we teach ourselves and our children about our country’s foundations. And why and how they came to be.

This ongoing argument about the ‘term’ that is that not really a term but just three simple words made up of 2 adjectives and on proper noun is simply insane at this point.

Obama, Cruze, Rubio, Jindal - they do not make the cut. All of them had foreign national father at the time of birth. They are not ‘natural’ Citizens - even if they were ‘born’ citizens.

McCann? At least he had 2 citizen parentS. Unfortunately, the issue of jus soli - which between 1790 and 1795 was not an issue apparently creates the grey area.

Tonight on Hannity Mark Levine was on. He was claiming Cruz was eligible and this all crazy talk - basically pre-labelling anyone challenging Cruz’s eligibility a birther. And coward Hannity was right with him. They are just tools.

They want who they want and the Constitution and its reason and meaning - be damned.

Here it is again:

“Any and all laws passed by Congress that MAKE someone a citizen are a form of naturalization. Congress is ONLY charged with laws for the NATURALIZATION of citizens. So ANY law Congress makes granting citizenship is a form of naturalization. Natural born Citizens are not citizens due to some law made up by Congress. They are - natural.”


73 posted on 08/20/2013 8:59:44 PM PDT by bluecat6
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To: Spaulding; BlueCat

Thanks for this post.

No one on earth in any age will question that a child born on the soil of a country of parents who are citizens of that country, is a citizen of that country as well.


74 posted on 08/20/2013 9:04:19 PM PDT by thecodont
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