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To: Mrs. Don-o

Its interesting that people without Downs Syndrome are concerned about “preserving the culture”

If you had Downs Syndrome, would YOU want to remain retarded your entire life to preserve your sweetness and simplicity?

I am reminded of the movie “Charlie” where the character is “cured” of his mental retardation by a miracle drug and becomes a sparkling genius, falls in love with the researcher etc— then realizes the drug is losing effect and realizes he will regress and will again become retarded. It was kind of horrifying, actually.

Some people in deaf culture have the same attitude- better to stay deaf than undertake surgery or other measures to restore hearing or communicate by voice - deafness is a “culture” thing, not a handicap

However - retardation? Far different imho


5 posted on 08/12/2013 7:39:02 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: silverleaf
This is so complex. In the era before scientific advances, how many of these children would've survived for long? If science can keep them alive, shouldn't the goal be to cure the disorder that would've killed most of them?

I don't know the answer. I get it that these children and others who are outside the norm teach us to be more human and compassionate, and many seem very content with their lives. I also get nervous when we play God with genetics.

It's a really deep philosophical crossroads we're at, with the ability to manipulate life.

7 posted on 08/12/2013 7:51:25 AM PDT by grania
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To: silverleaf
"I am reminded of the movie “Charlie” where the character is “cured” of his mental retardation by a miracle drug and becomes a sparkling genius, falls in love with the researcher etc— then realizes the drug is losing effect and realizes he will regress and will again become retarded. It was kind of horrifying, actually.

Yeah, I remember "Charlie", but the book (actually short story) rather than the movie. I thought it went past "kind of" horrifying. Of course, people with Alzheimers (and some other forms of dementia) undergo this precise same transition, so it is not exactly unknown in our society.

And it STILL goes past "kind of horrifying".

8 posted on 08/12/2013 7:56:42 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: silverleaf

“Its interesting that people without Downs Syndrome are concerned about “preserving the culture””

I found that more than curious too - like Down Syndrome is a species in need of preserving.

I’d like to hear Sarah Palin’s take on this discovery.


10 posted on 08/12/2013 8:01:00 AM PDT by A'elian' nation ("Political Correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred." Jacques Barzun)
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To: silverleaf
This is very good news and in terms of the increased quality of life that it could mean for those afflicted... if this therapy pans out it will be nothing short of a miracle.

My wife has significant experience working as a nurse taking care of people with Downs Syndrome, and has been on the board of a non-profit which takes care of those afflicted. There is basically an entire government supported industry that has grown up around the care for people with Downs Syndrome. It is not that surprising that some who may have to find a new way to make a living... might view this development in a negative light.

Our assumption here is that in general the relatives who are concerned about “preserving the culture” are either getting a whole lot of assistance including substantial government funds given to them to take of their relative or they are not the ones actually carrying for their relative.

We have known entire families who have basically been supported by the money that they get from the government to take care of their relative with Downs Syndrome. Some of these people might also be inclined to make up these same type of lame excuses to deny their relative proper treatment when and if it becomes available.

We personally think that it would be inhumane to even consider withholding this type of treatment should it become effective and available.

14 posted on 08/12/2013 8:09:37 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: silverleaf
Some people in deaf culture have the same attitude- better to stay deaf than undertake surgery or other measures to restore hearing or communicate by voice - deafness is a “culture” thing, not a handicap

I rank that similarly to nearsighted parents not wanting to buy their kids glasses so they can share in "blurry" culture.

16 posted on 08/12/2013 8:26:05 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (This message has been recorded but not approved by Obama's StasiNet. Read it at your peril.)
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To: silverleaf

It is the same thing, and it is pathetic and disgusting - the term “disability community” says it all.


21 posted on 08/12/2013 8:34:44 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: silverleaf

“Its interesting that people without Downs Syndrome are concerned about “preserving the culture””


I was positive when I started to read this that some moron/morons would lament the loss of “the culture” just as some evil scum lamented the loss of the “Deaf Culture” for the few who could have their hearing restored by modern technology.

There is no compassion in celebrating something which limits all the possible life experiences HOWEVER, you will find all these false compassionate people in the support community for the “culture” are scared to death of losing their jobs and power. Despicable people, everyone of them.


22 posted on 08/12/2013 8:35:27 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: silverleaf
The world has changed a lot with their views toward disabilities.

My aunt, born in the 1940s, lost her hearing when she was young. She learned to lip read and become a fully functional member of society despite the hearing loss. Ditto for her husband. They both worked hard and put three daughters through Ivy League colleges (big mistake, but that's another story).

Sadly, for the most part, they don't even teach lip reading any more. Signing is quicker to teach and quicker to learn. Trouble is, it severely limits the number of people with whom they can interact and available opportunities as a result.

Sadder still is the growing number who are perfectly OK with it because said disability means another government check.

26 posted on 08/12/2013 8:43:13 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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