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WARNING: Someone is Trying to Set Up Liberty Activists Using Child Porn
Oath Keepers Website ^ | 08/03/2013 | Stewart Rhodes

Posted on 08/04/2013 1:52:33 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe

This a warning to all of our members, readers, supporters, and to the general liberty movement.

Please be extremely careful with email, and do not open any attachments from anyone who you don’t know, or from any suspicious email, such as tormail. And even if it seems to be from someone you know, take the time to read the email address carefully, to see if it is from a Tormail account, or other anonymous email service. It could be someone impersonating someone you know, to trick you into opening files with child-porn on them.

No one here at Oath Keepers uses tormail or any other anonymous email service, so if you see an email purporting to be from Oath Keepers, or from anyone in leadership at Oath Keepers, from such an email service, do not open it.

There have been a string of anonymous attacks on liberty activists, all attempting to trick people into opening email attachments containing child-porn. We know of at least four such attempts within the past few weeks.

The first was when someone emailed Luke Rudkowski, Founder of We Are Change and tried to trick him into opening attached jpeg files containing child porn. Luke was able to use the “view” function of his email to see that the images were child porn and he did not open them.

Then, someone using a tormail account tried to do the same thing to Dan Johnson, Founder of People Against the NDAA (PANDA). Whoever emailed Dan Johnson pretended to be me, Stewart Rhodes, but using a Tormail account. Fortunately, Dan knew that I don’t use Tormail, and therefore he did not open the attachments. Instead, he had a computer security expert examine the files, and that expert determined that they contained child porn. You can read more about that attack, and watch a video we made about it, here.

Well, a few days later it happened again, to two other liberty activists we know. They have chosen, for the time being, to not go public about it, in the hopes that the FBI will have a better chance of catching the perp. All of us have reported these incidents to the FBI, through attorney Sue Basko.

Sue has written a very well done description of what happened, what we did to report it, and some important advice on how you can keep from being victimized by whoever is doing this. Here is an excerpt of that tutorial. Please take her advice to heart, and be very careful online.

Stewart Rhodes


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: childporn; libertymovement; oathkeepers; setup
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To: MikeSteelBe

Obama’s boys and girls, again.


21 posted on 08/04/2013 4:18:21 AM PDT by sport
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To: MikeSteelBe

Pardon, but more information is needed here on either the threat or how to avoid it. Since the prior is unlikely, I hope this helps some out there scratching their heads about what to do
http://www.slipstick.com/outlook/safe-reading-pane/

It’s my understanding that Eudora also has a “Preview” function, fyi.

Also fyi, most of these type of attacks involve “exploits” which are code that runs and installs upon opening the email or clicking on a link in the email. There is no mention of that in this posting, but that doesn’t mean it’s not the case.

Cases like these serve to remind to use basic procedures to protect yourself.


22 posted on 08/04/2013 4:19:36 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: RegulatorCountry

Its web-based email that I have had for- almost as long as I have been online


23 posted on 08/04/2013 4:30:53 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL; everyone
I’m going to say more even though said would not. Each here has my apology. All attachments have to be suspect. Have seen emails looking perfectly legit and there is the attachment in the form of a word file, pdf, jpg, or any type of attachment. Those whom are sending out the viruses are becoming more and more sophisticated. Don’t have the solution but IT departments need to perform further training of those on email systems. What may appear as innocent can be anything but innocent. Have another theory regarding this warning being brought forth but most can put two and two together to make four. This is NOT a slam to the poster of the original thread nor anyone on this thread! What is occurring is a legitimate threat to computer systems of uninformed personnel.
24 posted on 08/04/2013 4:43:02 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: MikeSteelBe

“Somebody set up us the porn!”


25 posted on 08/04/2013 4:44:18 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido

correct ... not simply dirty pictures.


26 posted on 08/04/2013 4:45:40 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

I agree. And BTW, whoever is doing that “The FBI has seized your computer over child porn” thing, they need to be caught and flayed.


27 posted on 08/04/2013 4:46:11 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: MikeSteelBe
From TFA:
...Luke was able to use the “view” function of his email to see that the images were child porn and he did not open them...
Hate to tell ya, but "view" means the image was "opened". That's how "view" works -- it opens the file.

The fact that a separate application such as photoshop or gallery did not launch means nothing. The image was opened.

Just sayin'...

28 posted on 08/04/2013 4:52:50 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Sherman Logan

I’ve worked with law enforcement doing data forensics for cases like this. The simple inadvertent viewing of these images is difficult to prosecute. Going to a website and you suddenly realize it has these pictures isn’t going to get you arrested. Not if you leave the site upon realizing what it is.

Its when people camp out on the websites or save the pictures to their hard drive that the crime is committed.

So similarly simply receiving an email isn’t a crime. I fully agree with reporting it and documenting it to protect yourself. No email is truly anonymous and it should be possible to track the source given access to the systems involved. An action the FBI is unlikely to take in the best of times, they simply don’t have the resources.

I suspect this action is intended to simply disrupt the activities of the people concerned and is less intended to actually get them in legal trouble.


29 posted on 08/04/2013 4:55:55 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: GeronL

Don’t know for certain but have to believe that the originators are setting up drones for some type of purpose. The purpose might be a two plus two equals four.


30 posted on 08/04/2013 4:57:31 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

One would think so.


31 posted on 08/04/2013 4:58:06 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: no-to-illegals

When in doubt, hit “reply” first without intending to send anything — you’ll see the real address of the sender, regardless of what was in the incoming “From:” field.


32 posted on 08/04/2013 4:59:02 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jiggyboy

point given to your post ... and Thanks


33 posted on 08/04/2013 5:00:05 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: dayglored

Unless he cleaned (wiped) his drive the image is probably still there as well.

Erasing an email or a file doesn’t eliminate the data.


34 posted on 08/04/2013 5:00:41 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: RegulatorCountry; GeronL

It is probably not that sinister. Sometimes the spammers are so incompetent that they botch which address to put in which field. I’ve gotten spam that has something like “*** product name here ***” in the “Subject:” field.


35 posted on 08/04/2013 5:01:56 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: no-to-illegals

Blocking emails from foreign IPs (Russia, China, India, Brazil, Nigeria, etc) can help reduce the amount of junk.

A truly sophisticated person wouldn’t even need to send you an email.

All they’d have to do is post a properly crafted innocent image to a site like FR and get you to view it. That image would download the desired files to your PC without your knowledge. Wouldn’t work 100% of the time but it would be easy to target individuals in this manner.


36 posted on 08/04/2013 5:05:27 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

yes ... the methods are outpacing the solutions in all aspects. Too far down the path to be too concerned though. Is any of this information classified? Don’t answer ... all of us might find out .... LOL


37 posted on 08/04/2013 5:08:13 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: MikeSteelBe

“... in the hopes that the FBI will have a better chance of catching the perp.”

Wow, I hope Mr. Rhodes isn’t the naïf he seems to be.

This Hope and Change, Mr. Rhodes.


38 posted on 08/04/2013 5:11:35 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: no-to-illegals

Nope, and the bad guys already know all of it.

Its really really sad what people do to children.


39 posted on 08/04/2013 5:13:12 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

yes to both statements.


40 posted on 08/04/2013 5:14:03 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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