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Let's hear it for home schools [86th percentile in science, 84th percentile math]
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | July 21, 2013 | Jack Kelly

Posted on 08/03/2013 10:45:53 PM PDT by grundle

The best educated children in America don't go to school.

Brian Ray, president of the National Home Education Research Institute, compared home schoolers and public school students on the results of three standardized tests -- the California Achievement Test, the Iowa Test of Basic Skills and the Stanford Achievement Test -- for the 2007-2008 academic year. With public school students at the 50th percentile, home schoolers were at the 89th percentile in reading, the 86th percentile in science, the 84th percentile in language, math and social studies.

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To: staytrue
All this stat means is that home schooled kids likely have involved, intelligent parents who are likely wealthier and smarter than the average parents.
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These “involved” parents are **AFTERSCHOOLING***!!!! If you disagree with me then post the studies that will prove me wrong. You can't because NO ONE knows if government schooling even does the job is says it does.

If “involved” parents is the key then maybe, just maybe, taxpayers are WASTING up to $30,000/kid/year by supporting institutional government owned and run indoctrination centers ( oops! “schools”). Maybe these mulit-multi-mulit-million prison-like “schools” are essentially doing NOTHING at all except chewing up lots of tax dollars.

Let's do the study that should have been done **150** YEARS ago!!! We should see exactly where children are learning ( school or home) and who is doing the teaching ( parent, child by doing homework, or tutors).

These studies will never be done because it would put lots of very minimally educated, and talented white collar Democrats out of work, and free millions of kids from the Marxist Borg mind control machine.

21 posted on 08/04/2013 3:59:33 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: staytrue

By the way,...yeah...I shouting, jumping up and down, and having a fit.

We spend thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars a year on a government “school” BORG MACHINE and no one, absolutely NO ONE, knows if it even works.


22 posted on 08/04/2013 4:01:10 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: staytrue
All this stat means is that home schooled kids likely have involved, intelligent parents who are likely wealthier and smarter than the average parents.

What a mouthful of assumptions.

My family home schools, and I'd say we're pretty typical for that demographic. We have a (very) small business, which allows my wife to stay home with the kids and educate them. Even in the best of times, I don't think we've ever made more than $60K a year, so we're not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination.

As far as being smarter than other parents, my wife went to public schools in her youth, and got a rotten education. That didn't stop her from rolling up her sleeves and improving her own education while bringing our kids up through the grades. She's done a remarkable job for someone who can't even spell the word, 'potato'.

Throughout the years we've encountered countless instances where our kids showed a markedly higher level of academic knowledge and skill than their public school counterparts. We don't even question it anymore, we've seen it so often.

23 posted on 08/04/2013 4:03:19 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: driftless2
At any rate, my Dad worked and my mother didn't have time with sometimes four or five squalling brats running around the house.

I worked (and was often away in another country for weeks or months at a time) and my wife dealt "with sometimes four or five squalling brats disciplined and loved kids running around the house."

Oh, and she also dealt with living in Africa where the water supply while we were in town was unreliable, sometimes milk, cheese & flour were nowhere to be found and our 6 year old came home from playing at a friend's house with the news that a cobra had reared at them. When not in town and living in the bush, she dealt with cooking on a "3 stone fire" and wild critters coming into the tent through a broken zipper.

Between them, our four (partially) home-schooled kids have 5 bachelors degrees and a Masters & 2/3rds. (BTW, neither my wife nor I have degrees)

We have friends whose 6 children were/are all home schooled and extremely successful. The father is a long distance truck driver. The mother broke her back in a car accident during this time. They set their priorities and lived by them.

Nearly everyone can do this, if they choose to do so. There is a whole network of friends, other home schoolers and educational material for support.

In the words of the eminent 20th century philosopher, Roger Miller, "All ya gotta do is put your mind to it. Knuckle down, buckle down, do it, do it, do it!"

24 posted on 08/04/2013 4:04:17 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: BwanaNdege

BUMP!!

BTW, why should it be illegal for your kid to ‘home-school’ next door? Why can’t a person who is home schooling take in a few neighbor kids too?

Just a thought


25 posted on 08/04/2013 4:07:15 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: driftless2
Yes, it is a shame. Some institutionalization of some children will always be needed.

Yes, indeed! Some parents are too distracted, too drug addicted, too illiterate, too innumerate, too materialistic, too poor, too stupid, too mentally ill, too greedy, too physically ill, too inept, too foolish, too uncaring, too burdened, too divorced, single parents by choice, too undisciplined...etc....to homeschool.

The children of these dysfunction parents ( or single mom by choice) to homeschool. But....guess what? They aren't doing well in institutional government run and Marxist-Borg controlled institutional schools either!

26 posted on 08/04/2013 4:10:37 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: BwanaNdege

Bump!

This is worth the read.


27 posted on 08/04/2013 4:12:46 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: GeronL
Why can’t a person who is home schooling take in a few neighbor kids too?

They can, in some states. Current North Carolina law allows two families to form a home school.

More than that, you'd have to establish a private school under a different set of regulations, but it's been done with as few as ten students.

28 posted on 08/04/2013 4:15:08 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Ask me about the Weiner Wager. Support Free Republic!)
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To: grundle
Most importantly, in my experience, they're happy, well-adjusted kids, who have no difficulty in speaking with adults. Most of them are from devout households, and are well-formed in their faith.

It's simply impossible for any government or private school teacher to know, love and serve a child, like a parent does, or to compete with a 24/7 tutor.

Nevertheless, there are many single parents, and some parents who are abusive, who can't homeschool, and should be provided with school vouchers. But there is absolutely no justification, under our Constitution, for our current school funding system.

Homeschoolers now represent 5% of the school-age population, the number having doubled in the last 15 years. In another ten years, the number will equal the private school population (10%). At that time, one out of five children will have escaped the schoolag archipelago. That's enough for a social revolution.

29 posted on 08/04/2013 4:24:11 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Windflier
Any conservative who still allows their children to attend public schools, is essentially turning them over to Big Brother and his degraded minions.

I call it the Marxist run Borg machine.

Quite frankly, it’s child abuse, and an abdication of personal responsibility at this point.

It is more than child abuse in the physical and mental sense. It is **spiritual abuse! The studies are plain enough! Those children of active Christian families who attend school are far, far, far more like to abandon their faith than those who are homeschooled!!! Parents who send their children to godless, Marxist-Borg machine, indoctrination centers will answer to God.

Before anyone flames me for being insensitive to those parents who can’t afford private school for their kids, or who have to have both parents working to make ends meet, let me just say that it’s better to scale back on your lifestyle requirements so that one parent can stay home and devote themselves to the proper rearing and education of the kids.

ILLITERACY AND INNUMERACY IS BETTER than turning a child over to the Marxist-run and godless BORG MACHINE. ( Can you tell that I really feel strongly about this?)

That’s the path that my family chose more than a decade ago, and my kids are immeasurably better off because of it.

Personally, I have made a decision. Marxist-run, godless, and Borg machine indoctrination is sooooooo EVIL for the child that I will NOT have government school teacher or worker for a friend. They are too evil, too stupid, or too much of a Useful Idiot to have as a friend. I don't have abortion mill assistants for friends either, ( even if they do save a baby or two in their careers.)

30 posted on 08/04/2013 4:24:23 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

At that time, one out of five children will have escaped the schoolag archipelago. That’s enough for a social revolution.
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Will it come in time to save this nation? I hope so.


31 posted on 08/04/2013 4:25:54 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I think you have a point; it’s not the most wealthy who are most highly represented in that set.

The wealthy people I know send their kids to private schools, or live in affluent towns with the proverbial "great school system." < snort>

The homeschoolers I know are generally middle-income. I don't know how smart they are.

I can also tell you that my wife would have to be the last person you would choose to homeschool. She doesn't have a great deal of patience. But somehow, we managed to get through. Our oldest just graduated. It's one decision I will NEVER regret.

32 posted on 08/04/2013 4:30:19 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: wintertime
Personally, I have made a decision. Marxist-run, godless, and Borg machine indoctrination is sooooooo EVIL for the child that I will NOT have government school teacher or worker for a friend. They are too evil, too stupid, or too much of a Useful Idiot to have as a friend.

Same here. I've even snipped my connection to family members who work for the government and its related tentacles.

Over the long haul, I've found that their mindset and societal orientation is so out of kilter with our Founding Ideals, that they're totally alien to me. They are quite literally, domestic enemies of America, and I'll have nothing to do with them.

33 posted on 08/04/2013 4:30:47 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ronnie raygun
Yea but, has the students need for mental health services been met, phyc care, family intervention, nutritional service like school breakfast lunch and dinner, after hour recreation programs, social service programs, food stamps social secuirty, disability welfare?
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You forgot the free condoms, homosexual instruction in the most intimate, detail, free trips and secret trips to an abortion center, and morning-after pills on demand. And....Of course, instruction in every pagan religion with the mention of Christianity banned.

34 posted on 08/04/2013 4:31:16 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: grundle

I think if you took any classroom, be it public or homeschool, and filled it with a one teacher per every couple of kids, there would be high tests scores.


35 posted on 08/04/2013 4:37:04 AM PDT by frickin_frackin
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To: Windflier

Yep! Contact with these people is just too draining. I feel sucked dry after being with them even a minimal amount of time. They are dark,..like a spiritual black hole.


36 posted on 08/04/2013 4:37:25 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: grundle
Yea, but homeschooling only works because parents refuse to allow the Trayvons from across town to sit in their home, harass their children, and steal their jewelry.

Because of this homeschooling is elitist and racist.

37 posted on 08/04/2013 4:37:58 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: staytrue

Although your points are all well founded, I think there is little doubt that homeschooling accelerates learning.

Because my wife and I work full time, we have sent our children to private Catholic shool. They’ve done quite well. But when I help them with their homework, I am left with a solid feeling that I could teach them the same material in <50% of the time.

It is hard to beat learning at your best pace and having a personal tutor.


38 posted on 08/04/2013 4:41:56 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: wintertime

I could believe it for the most part. I do know a very much Christian lady who had been a schoolteacher and to my observation she just let the NEA stuff roll off her back. Like the bible says, the light has shined in the darkness and the darkness has not overcome/comprehended it. However anyone without a firm foundation in that position is going to give in pretty quickly. The drumbeat is just too systematic and intense.


39 posted on 08/04/2013 4:44:10 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: wintertime
Will it come in time to save this nation? I hope so.

Probably not, but at least it will form the nucleus of a counter-revolution.

Half my family is from Poland, and I can see how 40 years of suffering under socialism/communism purified the country, spiritually. The country is now very strong.

But of course, the corruption of Western culture is now beginning to seep in.

It's an endless struggle.

40 posted on 08/04/2013 4:47:04 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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