Posted on 08/03/2013 10:45:53 PM PDT by grundle
The best educated children in America don't go to school.
Brian Ray, president of the National Home Education Research Institute, compared home schoolers and public school students on the results of three standardized tests -- the California Achievement Test, the Iowa Test of Basic Skills and the Stanford Achievement Test -- for the 2007-2008 academic year. With public school students at the 50th percentile, home schoolers were at the 89th percentile in reading, the 86th percentile in science, the 84th percentile in language, math and social studies.
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This stat means nothing.
what you need is to take random sample of 100 kids and home school them, like it or not and compare to a random sample of 100 kids who are in public schools, like it or not.
All this stat means is that home schooled kids likely have involved, intelligent parents who are likely wealthier and smarter than the average parents.
Also, the public school scores are dragged down by the scores of blacks and hispanics. I suspect that the home schooled are largely white.
from the article
“Socio-economic factors may have a lot to do with why home schoolers do so much better. Virtually all have a mother and a father who are living together. Nearly two-thirds of fathers and 62 percent of mothers have a bachelor’s degree or higher.”
Furthermore, I suspect that most home schoolers are white, while the blacks and hispanics drag down the scores of the non home schoolers.
Don’t home-schooled kids always win the Spelling Bee nowadays?
Home schooling is the only way the average family has to fight back against the government indoctrination and low learning expectations of government schools. No wonder the government hates it and tries hard to repress home schooling.
But, we are winning. The next round of policy-makers will have a higher percentage of home schooled people and the round after that even more. This is the natural result of better preparation and intelligence.
“Don’t home-schooled kids always win the Spelling Bee nowadays?”
I think they are all Indian Americans.
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True enough, the difference is likely less stark (but I would expect, still noticeable) if we look at similar “socioeconomic” situations across the homeschool and public school models. Still it’s a good illustration of “train up a child in the way he should go” however that is achieved, and yes parental guidance is sacrificed in the public school model. Children have to have a reason why to study, and if those nurturing them care more, they generally perceive a better reason. Which is about as non rocket science as one can get, but it also tells us how to produce better rocket scientists. Just care about them more when they are growing up.
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What we ALL knew already.
Your ignorance of homeschoolers and homeschooling is staggering.
I have yet to meet ANY homeschoolers who are wealthier than average. And I have not found homeschoolers to be any more or less intelligent than public/private school parents.
Homeschoolers are just your average, run of the mill people who want better for their kids than the public indoctrination system pumps out.
Your problem, as with all who dismiss the standardized test results, is that you are using it for the wrong purpose. You are using it as a measure of the intelligence of the child, as opposed to a measure of the success of the schooling method.
Homeschooling works for a lot more reasons than simply inherent intelligence.
You can try to dismiss and excuse away the results of the standardized tests, but they are what they are and show that homeschooling works.
yes but the point is that homeschooling produces better results because the teachers there give a crap and they make sure the kid understands.
there have been cases where a few people were lazy and weren’t doing proper schooling but they were soon found out.
I think you have a point; it’s not the most wealthy who are most highly represented in that set. Money means nothing without being spent wisely. Still for those with an empirical bent, such stats would be helpful so that for those having the object, there is a candid credible answer. Does the HSLDA keep track of such things?
argh... object => objection.
I give disclaimer myself, I was a public school kid as far as grade and secondary was concerned. However my background was exceptional. I have, I believe, a gifted (but not genius) IQ. My mother took pride in my literacy achievements and I was spelling and reading at a grade advanced level before I was in first grade. So one might say I was home preschooled, but without formal lessons.
Exactly my argument. I'm not against home schooling, but the vast majority of parents are quite unqualified to teach. Maybe 20-30% of parents could do a decent job teaching their kids. My own parents would have been totally inadequate. At any rate, my Dad worked and my mother didn't have time with sometimes four or five squalling brats running around the house.
Heh, they didn’t check my girls’ math scores!
Oh, I have. I sometimes go to events at other families' homes and think, "Wow, how the other half lives!"
But it doesn't bother me, because I've cleaned some of those houses, and it's just too much work.
Yea but, has the students need for mental health services been met, phyc care, family intervention, nutritional service like school breakfast lunch and dinner, after hour recreation programs, social service programs, food stamps social secuirty, disability welfare?
Any conservative who still allows their children to attend public schools, is essentially turning them over to Big Brother and his degraded minions.
Quite frankly, it’s child abuse, and an abdication of personal responsibility at this point.
Before anyone flames me for being insensitive to those parents who can’t afford private school for their kids, or who have to have both parents working to make ends meet, let me just say that it’s better to scale back on your lifestyle requirements so that one parent can stay home and devote themselves to the proper rearing and education of the kids.
That’s the path that my family chose more than a decade ago, and my kids are immeasurably better off because of it.
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