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The Real J. Edgar Hoover? (The rumor that he was gay was Communist disinformation)
American Thinker ^ | 08/03/2013 | Paul Kengor, Grove City College

Posted on 08/03/2013 7:07:12 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Edward S. Miller, a lifetime FBI man of high rank and stature, recently passed away at the age of 89. A good man and good American, Miller, who was also a veteran of World War II (Okinawa), faithfully served his family, country, and God. He also faithfully served the agency that hired him in 1950, as well as the longtime head of that agency, J. Edgar Hoover.

I was fortunate to spend a long Saturday afternoon with Ed Miller back in March, at long last meeting him after previously only corresponding with him. (He was an alumnus of Grove City College, where I teach.) It was a time I won't forget, and Miller had some things he wanted me not to forget -- and to share with the public.

Foremost among them was his take on J. Edgar Hoover. He wanted the world to know what he insisted was the real J. Edgar Hoover -- a man totally contrary to the hysterical left-wing Hollywood portrayal that frames the FBI director as a mix between lunatic anti-communist, power-hungry Napoleonic authoritarian, and closet homosexual and cross-dresser. According to Ed Miller, none of it was true.

"He was terrific," Miller told me of Hoover, instantly knowing that such isn't the typical take on the man who was the face of the FBI for parts of six decades. During our detailed and varied conversation, few subjects lit up Miller quite like his old boss. Hoover was "great." He was "sharp." He was "absolutely brilliant." He was "wonderful."

Miller proceeded to give me example after example. Among them, here's one that will throw liberals for a loop, clashing as it does with their ideological prejudices:

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: coldwar; communistgoals; fbi; jedgarhoover; liberaltalkingpoint
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To: ek_hornbeck

Find no fault with what you said.

That does not make Hoover a Commie. But possibly a Commie enabler.


61 posted on 08/04/2013 10:41:25 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: SeekAndFind

CPUSA and its agents thrived under Hoover. US agencies of the time preferred to watch the commies and infiltrate the party. The watching part was even officially acknowledged to the likes of William F. Buckley. Could anything have been done? The Soviet were sending, I read somewhere, $30 mill a year to Gus Hall (in Armand Hammer’s suitcases?) CPUSA was behind the so-called Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s, now revered by all. Who funded and continues to fund the Institute for Policy Studies in D.C.? Oh, thank you too much FBI for continuing to watch them.


62 posted on 08/04/2013 10:44:03 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Texas Fossil

You’re right, though I’m not the one who called Hoover a Communist, he obviously was not. Hoover was a supporter of authoritarian government policies, however, as were both LBJ and Nixon.


63 posted on 08/04/2013 10:52:39 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: Texas Fossil

“He like most bureaucrats did the bidding of his masters.”

Yes, but he also controlled his masters through the illegal knowledge he gained using the FBI. No one can have such a long career without leverage and it was widely known he used that leverage. That was illegal, unconstitutional, and he should have been in prison many times for it. He illegally spied on US citizens and used the power of the federal government to do it.

To me, that was communism in that he used the power of the State to control the people and their elected representatives. It was also communism in that he believed the federal government should wield power over the people and the States and he exercised that idea throughout his career. I have not doubt that should the US government have turned real commie and controlled all commerce he would have obliged to participate as that level of power would have had him drunk on it.


64 posted on 08/04/2013 11:04:34 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: SeekAndFind; Fred Nerks
And so, argues Miller, Hoover's political enemies on the soft left and (especially) the hard left smeared him with false claims. No one excelled at disinformation and blatantly vicious lies and character assassination quite like the Communist Party. American communists had a campaign for anything and everything. In fact, the single best exposé on communist campaigns was a remarkable June 1959 report done by Hoover's FBI, authorized and signed by Hoover himself, titled, "Communist Propaganda in the United States, Part VIII, Campaigns." I have that report. It's an eye-opener.... All of these campaigns, as the FBI noted, had one thing in common: they sought to enlist a wider swath of duped liberals into the campaign. The orchestrators of the campaign concealed their hand.

Communists are still up to the same tricks today ...

65 posted on 08/04/2013 12:45:07 PM PDT by GOPJ (Sob stories make bad law...)
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To: Fred Nerks
Dr. Paul Kengor is professor of political science and executive director of The Center for Vision & Values at Grove City College. His latest book is The Communist: Frank Marshall Davis, The Untold Story of Barack Obama's Mentor.
66 posted on 08/04/2013 12:46:02 PM PDT by GOPJ (Sob stories make bad law...)
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To: ek_hornbeck

Bump


67 posted on 08/04/2013 1:18:28 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

The movie was “Bringing Up Baby” (”Baby” is the name of a leopard in the movie). One of the great screwball comedies.


68 posted on 08/04/2013 2:08:44 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: CodeToad

My focus is on the FBI spying of MLK right now. It was fully authorized by the administration of JFK in 1963, a very convenient time politically (1964 re-election).

The Kennedy’s didn’t like King, we now know that because Jackie Kennedy referred to him as a “despicable man” in a recording made shortly after the assassination.

I think Hoover was helping to make his bosses happy with his spying in this case and that the Kennedy’s wanted it done.


69 posted on 08/04/2013 2:33:39 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: Revolting cat!

“Don’t kid yourself, the front of the culture war is in the sphere of language. Because language affects, defines even, perceptions!”

Amen to that.

Look at every single leftist cultural-destructionist propaganda spiel and find language mutations used to not only shift the goal posts, but completely redesign the field of play to suit their needs.


70 posted on 08/04/2013 5:40:04 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Grimmy

The Soviets knew it, studied it scientifically, and taught their agents and useful idiots in the West how to employ it.


71 posted on 08/04/2013 5:43:18 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: SeekAndFind

If you like what passes for Federal Law Enforcement and policy making Federal Government today, thank J. Edgar Hoover- you boot lickin’ morons.


72 posted on 08/04/2013 6:05:12 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: SeekAndFind

Did he or didn’t be live with his guy friend Clyde for a long time? Never married. Never seen with a woman.


73 posted on 08/04/2013 6:24:49 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: Revolting cat!

Another example is the entire Political Correct movement.

Brought to the US by (can’t remember which one, exactly) a writer of the School of Marxism in Frankfurt during the early 1930s. The concept was that if people could be made to control what they allowed themselves to say, they’d also control what they allowed themselves to think. The more ridiculous the say-control, the more complete the ideological control of the mind.

The end phase of PC is that it can be used to sort out the ideologically compliant from those who still retain an ability to think independently.

We’re seeing a rather full blossom of that reality in many of our schools, from elementary up through college and university now.


74 posted on 08/04/2013 6:44:09 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

RE: Never seen with a woman.

Did you read the article?


75 posted on 08/04/2013 6:52:54 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Revolting cat!

RE: Homosexuality is not ‘gaiety’, but when you call it that, the listener/reader associates pederasty with gaiety

REALLY? I personally know the meaning of the word “gay” ( as in happy) but I don’t associate homosexuality with gaiety or joy or happiness at all.

I just spoke with my kids and NEITHER DO THEY.

You think people are clueless. Well I got news for you. Some might be, but it’s not because they don’t know the original meaning of the word.

It’s because of some other reason.


76 posted on 08/04/2013 7:00:46 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Grimmy

We are seeing the blossoms of that reality everywhere and on this thread. The victims of the manipulation will argue that they don’t associate homosexuality with ‘gaiety’ or abortion with ‘choice’, while subconsciously they and millions of others do. That’s why, and only why, the choice of words by the propagandists have been ‘gay’ and not ‘fudgepacking’, and ‘choice’ and not ‘infanticide’, to cite just two examples of the manipulation of everyday language. “Affordable Care Act’. I know it’s not ‘affordable’ but I’m going to use the name because everybody else does, right? Pretty soon you’ll be thinking that Obamacare is affordable, just as you subconsciously think that pederasty is ‘gay’. The language speaks you!


77 posted on 08/04/2013 7:34:19 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Things go better with Coca Cola”. Remember that advertising slogan? Everybody who heard it and their children knew well that such a claim could not be true. Why then would Coca Cola use such an absurd slogan, such a lie? There is your answer.


78 posted on 08/04/2013 7:38:03 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Paladin2; Revolting cat!
It was RFK who had Hoover wiretape MLK for JFK.


79 posted on 08/05/2013 5:50:21 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Paladin2

And Jack “Dragnet” Webb had the LAPD wiretap or bug Julie London’s residence while they were going through their divorce.


80 posted on 08/05/2013 5:52:06 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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