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The Real J. Edgar Hoover? (The rumor that he was gay was Communist disinformation)
American Thinker ^ | 08/03/2013 | Paul Kengor, Grove City College

Posted on 08/03/2013 7:07:12 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Edward S. Miller, a lifetime FBI man of high rank and stature, recently passed away at the age of 89. A good man and good American, Miller, who was also a veteran of World War II (Okinawa), faithfully served his family, country, and God. He also faithfully served the agency that hired him in 1950, as well as the longtime head of that agency, J. Edgar Hoover.

I was fortunate to spend a long Saturday afternoon with Ed Miller back in March, at long last meeting him after previously only corresponding with him. (He was an alumnus of Grove City College, where I teach.) It was a time I won't forget, and Miller had some things he wanted me not to forget -- and to share with the public.

Foremost among them was his take on J. Edgar Hoover. He wanted the world to know what he insisted was the real J. Edgar Hoover -- a man totally contrary to the hysterical left-wing Hollywood portrayal that frames the FBI director as a mix between lunatic anti-communist, power-hungry Napoleonic authoritarian, and closet homosexual and cross-dresser. According to Ed Miller, none of it was true.

"He was terrific," Miller told me of Hoover, instantly knowing that such isn't the typical take on the man who was the face of the FBI for parts of six decades. During our detailed and varied conversation, few subjects lit up Miller quite like his old boss. Hoover was "great." He was "sharp." He was "absolutely brilliant." He was "wonderful."

Miller proceeded to give me example after example. Among them, here's one that will throw liberals for a loop, clashing as it does with their ideological prejudices:

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


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KEYWORDS: coldwar; communistgoals; fbi; jedgarhoover; liberaltalkingpoint
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To: Paladin2

He did a lot of spying on whoever the higher ups wanted him to spy on in my opinion.

Hoover was a big anti-communist and the Left has been paying him back with the gay story.

Back in the mid 1950’s there was a “Joe McCarthy is gay” story being bandied about.


41 posted on 08/03/2013 10:08:55 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: tumblindice

Thanks for the refresher.

And Bobby Kennedy was tied in there, too. The libs conveniently forget that.


42 posted on 08/03/2013 10:09:16 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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43 posted on 08/03/2013 10:13:08 PM PDT by narses
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To: SeekAndFind

I never thought he was a fag and I just had a hard time seeing how he could advance up through the ranks of the FBI if he was. That shit wasn’t tolerated. Whats the time line of the stories of him being gay or cross dressing? Seems to me it started in the early sixties.I just don’t buy it.


44 posted on 08/03/2013 10:14:56 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Revolting cat!
Once you use the euphemism, you have lost the argument before it started. Why? Because who, what ‘good person’, could be against ‘gaiety’, ‘choice’, ‘social justice, ‘peace’?!... Don’t kid yourself, the front of the culture war is in the sphere of language. Because language affects, defines even, perceptions!

That's sticking the dagger into the heart of the matter.

Who has led the charge of subverting the language? Academia AND the Media. 95% of both have been hijacked by Commies/Fascists/homosexuals, perverts, freaks, and God-less secular humanists.

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" ~ Isaiah 5:20

45 posted on 08/03/2013 10:27:31 PM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: SeekAndFind
it start when, some wash-up drunken mobster girlfriend made the claim in
the 60s...the Communist media started to parrot the accusation.

46 posted on 08/03/2013 10:31:01 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: SeekAndFind

So JE Hoover was a friend of Dorothy.


47 posted on 08/04/2013 12:11:14 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools - Solon, Lawmaker of Athens)
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To: Fiji Hill
The stories about Hoover's supposed homosexuality are a total fabrication. His legacy has become the victim of the Big Lie technique--a falsehood repeated over and over until it comes to be widely believed.

I've been hearing such assertions for years; mysteriously, however, only F, B, and I people ever have anything good to say about Hoover, and stranger still, even they can't explain how such a supposedly wonderful man managed to stoop to such depths of blackmail, law breaking, dealing in dirty secrets, and the like. "Shut up!" they shout. "It was all just a big lie! Now, shut up!"

48 posted on 08/04/2013 1:18:04 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: SeekAndFind

So glad to read this.


49 posted on 08/04/2013 5:36:43 AM PDT by b9 (II Timothy 1:7)
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To: yarddog

I remember hearing Billy Graham in the 1960s in a sermon quoting J. Edgar Hoover; that’s how universally admired Hoover was then. Wasn’t LBJ Hoover’s favorite president? He did not vote until 1964, when DC got presidential electors.


50 posted on 08/04/2013 5:43:24 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Mitt and the grand poo-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!")
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To: AtlasStalled

Wow! We have a full stable of fortune tellers today.


51 posted on 08/04/2013 6:05:37 AM PDT by billhilly
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To: Revolting cat!

RE: Once you use the euphemism, you have lost the argument before it started.

Maybe your argument is with today’s dictionaries. They ALL use the word you object to using to refer to homosexuals.

For instance one dictionary defines the word ‘gay’ as :

1. of, pertaining to, or exhibiting sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one’s own sex; homosexual: a gay couple.

2.of, indicating, or supporting homosexual interests or issues: a gay organization.

3. having or showing a merry, lively mood: gay spirits; gay music. Synonyms: cheerful, gleeful, happy, glad, cheery, lighthearted, joyous, joyful, jovial; sunny, lively, vivacious, sparkling; chipper, playful, jaunty, sprightly, blithe. Antonyms: serious, grave, solemn, joyless; staid, sedate; unhappy, morose, grim; sad, depressed, melancholy.

4. bright or showy: gay colors; gay ornaments. Synonyms: colorful, brilliant, vivid, intense, lustrous; glittering, theatrical, flamboyant. Antonyms: dull, drab, somber, lackluster; conservative.

You might want to “take back the culture” all on your own, but I am afraid it’s too late now.

I can still use that word, but I will CLARIFY it in the context that I use it.


52 posted on 08/04/2013 6:17:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Standing Wolf
I also have a very difficult time writing off all the stories as total fabrications.

Yep, these stories are, indeed, true:


53 posted on 08/04/2013 8:04:54 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: SeekAndFind
You have to admit that Hoover's relationship with Tolson was strange. There's no "proof" that Hoover was an active homosexual (much less the bizarre stories about cross-dressing), but you have to admit that a lifelong bachelor who lives most of his adult life with and vacations with another lifelong bachelor does set off some alarm bells.

It's entirely possible that Hoover and Tolson's relationship was strictly Platonic, but they did seem a little closer and stranger than typical male best friends.

54 posted on 08/04/2013 8:58:06 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: SeekAndFind

And abortion is ‘choice’, just because a dictionary says so? Homosexuality is not ‘gaiety’, but when you call it that, the listener/reader associates pederasty with gaiety, and who’d be against gaiety, and your arguments against the wide acceptance of homosexuality (or anything having to do with homosexuality) becomes lame and powerless. You lose, even if dictionaries accept such euphemisms. We’ve already lost the war? On then to the next euphemism which you’ll readily and cluelessly accept again.


55 posted on 08/04/2013 9:56:20 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: USS Johnston
That's sticking the dagger into the heart of the matter.

And that is what we must do to fight evil. Otherwise we become helpless tools of the cultural mainstream controlled by our enemies. You either speak the language or the language speaks you, is one of the things I learned going to college.

56 posted on 08/04/2013 10:04:14 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Paladin2
JEdger had WAY too much power. He was the NSA of his day.

Frankly, I don't care one way or the other whether Hoover was a closet homo or not. I do care about illegal wiretapping and other infringements of the 4th amendment that took place under his watch. If Hoover had his way, we'd be living under a police state.

All too often, people who critcize government infringements of civil liberties when the opponent party is in power are strangely silent when their own party commits the same abuses. So you have people who defend Hoover's wiretapping and Nixon's use of IRS audits to go after his political enemies who then turn around and attack Obama and other Democrats who do the same. And of course, the same liberals who screamed bloody murder at what Nixon and Hoover were doing are strangely quiet when their boy Obama does exactly the same thing.

57 posted on 08/04/2013 10:15:05 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: Texas Fossil

“Hoover hated Commies.”

Hoover was a commie. Commies simply hate other commies as they struggle for power. Hoover was against the freedoms and liberties of this nation and violated the US Constitution. Hatred of other commies is not a valid value of worth.


58 posted on 08/04/2013 10:21:04 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: CodeToad

We seldom disagree.

In my opinion, Hoover was not a Commie. He like most bureaucrats did the bidding of his masters. That is why he was comfortable with LBJ. As long as Hoover delivered the dirt to LBJ when asked, Lyndon let him to whatever he wanted.


59 posted on 08/04/2013 10:33:09 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, since then a State in the US, but it is Still Texas where I live.)
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To: Texas Fossil; CodeToad
Hoover was not a Commie. He like most bureaucrats did the bidding of his masters. That is why he was comfortable with LBJ. As long as Hoover delivered the dirt to LBJ when asked, Lyndon let him to whatever he wanted.

This is a great case in point of what I've been saying all along: liberals like LBJ will give the statist "right" a police state at home and warfare abroad in return for a welfare state at home. Statist "conservatives" will tolerate or even support a welfare state in return for increased surveillance power and support for wars abroad. So it's no wonder that Hoover could work as well with LBJ as with Nixon, since Nixon and LBJ weren't nearly as far apart as their respective supporters (or enemies) liked to pretend.

60 posted on 08/04/2013 10:37:26 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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