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FBI Can Turn On Your Phone Mic?
Foxnews ^

Posted on 08/03/2013 11:06:50 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA

A former U.S. official told The Journal that some of the technology allows the FBI to remotely activate the microphones in phones running on Google Inc.'s Android software to record conversations.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1984; android; bigbrother; cellphonemic; georgeorwell; google; googleandroid; surveillancestate
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To: cynwoody

Yeah, all that sophisticated technology developed by STASI and KGB for nothing these days.


101 posted on 08/03/2013 3:19:57 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

And you wondered why they make them so you can’t remove the battery. < /tinfoil >


102 posted on 08/03/2013 3:22:06 PM PDT by TheDon (Inside Every Liberal is a Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out.)
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To: Gaffer

you’re not understanding.

the information they gathered would never be used anywhere in proximity to the judicial system

BUT... it would be used to tip them off who they should monitor more closely through ‘legal’ channels... so they could get a warrant and bring charges.

in the rare circumstance they gathered something that was immediately actionable (someone was about to deliver a bomb or something)... they would just take out the target and claim terrorist threat. no evidence or warrant needed.


103 posted on 08/03/2013 3:27:10 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: RFEngineer

you get it


104 posted on 08/03/2013 3:27:51 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Your phone is a bug that you keep charged for them.

Of course, if you are going to have a conversation that you don’t want listened to, put your phone in a bag or box with a cheap radio playing some awful music.

Or you can always just disconnect the battery... but that’s more work.


105 posted on 08/03/2013 3:28:41 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Red in Blue PA

All showmanship


106 posted on 08/03/2013 3:33:24 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: RFEngineer; Gaffer; BenLurkin; Sawdring; Monty22002; XenaLee

yes, they will gather all information... targeting no one in particular... and thereby be legal. just like scanning license plates on the roads

the interesting tidbit will come later.

once they have the massive datastore in utah being filled with decades of live data... there will come a day when it is common practice for a warrant to be issued to pull all the data associated with a defendant and submitted into evidence.

your life in review...
your fate in the balance...
your life at the mercy of your overlords

what could possibly go wrong


107 posted on 08/03/2013 3:35:03 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten

I wonder if any statute of limitations stuff can come up? Cause surely they’ll eventually expand using it from ‘terrorism’ to any lower felony or complaint.. Copyright stuff, saying something negative about someone, and so on.

They’ll have everything you did and lay it all down. If they find some political group they don’t like that you’ve ever talked to or gone to their site, they’ll label you a dissident or terrorist. Down the road of course, once you’ve really pissed them off by voting the wrong way or something.


108 posted on 08/03/2013 3:51:31 PM PDT by Monty22002
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To: sten

They don’t turn everybody’s microphone on. They are targeting troublemakers and they have not gotten a named warrant. You can count on it. The other ubiquitous recording of metadata (supposedly) doesn’t include the message body ( but it does - illegally). They are all liars.


109 posted on 08/03/2013 4:13:24 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: sten

From Jim Morrison (The Doors):

THE MOVIE

The movie will begin in five moments
The mindless voice announced
All those unseated will await the next show.
We filed slowly, languidly into the hall

The auditorium was vast and silent
As we seated and were darkened, the voice continued.
The program for this evening is not new
You’ve seen this entertainment through and through
You’ve seen your birth your life and death
you might recall all of the rest

Did you have a good world when you died?
Enough to base a movie on?.

I’m getting out of here.
“Where are you going?”
To the other side of morning.
“Please don’t chase the clouds, pagodas”

“It’s alright, all your friends are here.”
When can I meet them?
“After you’ve eaten.”
I’m not hungry.
“Uh, we meant beaten.”


110 posted on 08/03/2013 4:20:01 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: sten
what could possibly go wrong

My children might become parents.

111 posted on 08/03/2013 4:34:34 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Well over a decade ago, there was a lawsuit in NV by a service provider to get the FBI to cease and desist listening in via vehicles equipped with cell phone/emergency/GPS systems. Seems a couple of fellas were talking in an upscale (factory) vehicle with such a system in it, and the FBI listened in...and brought charges.

The service provider wasn't mentioned by name (likely Onstar), but the use of the service without permission or warrant was considered a denial of the service the provider was supposed to be providing, and the hack may have rendered the service provider unable to provide the service they were selling. The 'evidence', iirc, was thrown out as an illegal wiretap.

112 posted on 08/03/2013 4:46:02 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: hope

We have decided it is time to learn an obscure language other than english. If nothing else, it could give us a tactical advantage in close quarters, and a modicum of privacy in the open.


113 posted on 08/03/2013 4:55:14 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe
we could make up our own language and codes we could use the hangul alphabet.. ㅂ리 리붑렄 bli libupblik
114 posted on 08/03/2013 5:00:19 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL
I'm actually thinking more toward something like either a native American language or Klingon...and yes, there are course materials in Klingon out there.

I suppose Basque or an obscure language would be good, too.

115 posted on 08/03/2013 5:06:31 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

lol. I am imagining FR full of Klingon posts


116 posted on 08/03/2013 5:16:32 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: sten

Looked at your FR homepage... I like it :-)
What do you do? I’m in embedded systems.

Remember that a smartphone can be operated out-of-band.
The normal cell frequencies are far too cluttered to be useful for surreptitious monitoring... sending data out as normal cell data is far too risky for serious work.


117 posted on 08/03/2013 5:55:12 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

NY Times story

Village yutes create their own language

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/16/science/linguist-finds-a-language-in-its-infancy.html?_r=0


118 posted on 08/03/2013 6:03:41 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Bobalu

thx

over the years I’ve focused on many different areas... from UI, server, distributed near real time, to embedded. these days, mesh networks and distributed systems are my focus as well as anything extremely large scale

as such, an agent running on the phone monitoring sounds about right. it’d be the right way to solve the problem, uploading when local wifi is available and all has been quiet for a while (emergency mode would also be built in if the agent determined potentially ‘blowing cover’ was warranted)


119 posted on 08/03/2013 6:19:53 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten

Cellphones with custom firmware makes for a great ad-hoc mesh network.

Remember that there are at least four NRO sats in geosynchronous orbit with large dishes that are used to pick up things like a cellphone operated out-of-band. The gain is so great on those birds that the phone only needs to put out a few milliwatts for solid reception... the full 600mw is overkill.


120 posted on 08/03/2013 6:35:05 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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