Pentagon considering affirmative action in combat

The Daily Caller ^ | July 26, 2013 | Elizabeth Dorton

[2ndDivisionVet]

Senior military personnel are considering now giving women different military training than men, The Washington Times reports.

The effort was proposed by Massachusetts Democrat Rep. Niki Tsongas at a recent House Armed Services Committee hearing because so far, she says training systems do not “maximize the success of women.”

Though the armed services have promised that combat standards will be the same regardless of gender, senior officers are considering initially separate training systems.

Army Lt. Gen. Howard Bromberg, serving as deputy chief of staff for personnel, considers separate training programs to be more about considering all soldiers as individuals, citing a need to explore how the training process works.

“We’re not looking at it just for the integration of women,” Bromberg said. “We’re looking at it for the total soldier, because just as you have a 110-pound male who may lack some type of physiological capability or physical capability, he or she may both need to be trained differently. We’re trying to expand our understanding of how we train.”(continued)

[Army Air Corps]

Yes, I know that it is not done under current law. I am saying that we change it so that the ladies also have to register.

[Chode]

the NOW-COWS must all be patting themselves on the back for this one...

[Black Agnes]

Intelligent women realize their menfolk, including their sons, will one day potentially be called upon to defend their safety and home. ‘With your shield or on it’ isn’t a lack of empathy. It’s a recognition of biology.

Never before has any society sent its WOMEN into combat without dire circumstances demanding it.

[Black Agnes]

Which tells me this little exercise in ‘fairness’ has little to do with traditional reasons for warfare. It’s designed to ELIMINATE the society and culture from which these women are drawn. Dead young women will have no babies.

[JayAr36]

The purpose of the military is to no longer kill the enemy and destroy their things in defense of our country. It is now a social experiment so the fems can say they are equal to males in every way. We can continue to devalue our military, police and firemen to please the oh so correct portion of this country until we no longer exist!

[JayAr36]

The purpose of the military is to no longer kill the enemy and destroy their things in defense of our country. It is now a social experiment so the fems can say they are equal to males in every way. We can continue to devalue our military, police and firemen to please the oh so correct portion of this country until we no longer exist!

[A Navy Vet]

"We had a woman that kept insisting she was equal to a man. One guy said let’s go out in the alley and see how equal you are. She refused. She was smart, she would have gotten her ass kicked."

Therein lies the bottom line. Women do us proud in the military in many specialties, but ground combat? Pfft.

Also, I recently asked my dentist (an ex-submariner) what he thought of putting women on subs. While at work, he couldn't say much, but rolled his eyes and gave me negative shake of his head. He was on a Los Angeles class attack sub with little room and I asked him how many sexual harassment complaints could happen by accidently brushing a woman's breast or bottom. He softly said, "countless, because there is no avoiding in it such small spaces". I already knew the answer as I constantly read about the so-called "sexual harassment" problem in the military.

Then I asked what will the Silent Service due when a female sailor has female problems and needs to be evacuated? He said, "postone the mission" since they would have to surface and another attack sub would have to extend their deployment.

Stop putting the different sexes in close proximity and much of the "harassment" and pregnancies will end. It's a long known fact that many female sailors get pregnant to either avoid deployment or get evacuated from depolyment. Just remember that Congresswoman Schroeder long ago pushed for this and she is much to blame. Now our PC flag officers are to blame.

Remember "Tailhook"? Many good aviators lost their careers because the girls wanted to play with the boys, but whined when they were treated the same with slaps on their fannys or "running the gauntlet", which was a tradition at Tailhook. Happened just after I got out of Aviation Navy and it disgusted me back then. I knew those pilots and they were the best in the world. But little girls couldn't cope.

[A Navy Vet]

"Never before has any society sent its WOMEN into combat without dire circumstances demanding it."

Sorry, but there HAVE been societies/nations who sent their women into ground combat. The most recent being Israel. They stopped because their women weren't efficient ground combat troops.

[Black Agnes]

I would call any war Israel (modern) has fought in ‘dire circumstances’. They’re outnumbered massively.

But, since their cultural and military goal was to PRESERVE Israel as a going concern, when the women in military thing didn’t work out they stopped it before it did irreparable harm to their ability to sustain that culture.

I don’t see that sort of intelligence or protective instinct coming from our government anytime soon...

[A Navy Vet]

Seems we’re on the same page.

[Nowhere Man]

I don't see Snowden as a traitor at all, I think he did his job to expose the wrongs that are going on now. America has a cancer and like a cancer patient (I know a lot about this, my mother is fighting breast cancer now) sometime one has to get sick and put up with a lot in order to get well. America needs the equivalent of radiation and chemo that a cancer patient uses (in many cases) to get well again and Snowden is like the chemo we need.

I don't know if every Russian has hatred for America, I can understand them being aloof though because of our leadership and us supporting the wrong sides in places like Syria and so forth. We have become the Ugly American is the last few years. I like Putin although I understand he may not have our interests at heart but if I was him, I'd play my hand for all it is worth. At least Putin looks out for Russia's interests, I wish we had a leader that would do it for us.

[Nowhere Man]

I was 43 when I joined the Army. If you are a professional in certain fields, the age requirements are different than for most military recruits.

However, I do not think you will be able to fulfill your dream of becoming a pilot. I'm pretty sure you have to be young and have nearly 20/20 vision.

Perhaps, but I don't think I'd want to join up and serve Obama. Mom would kill me anyhoo. B-) I guess if I want to be a jet jockey, I'd have to hit the powerball, learn to fly and buy a MiG-21 or something. B-)

[Nowhere Man]

I would call any war Israel (modern) has fought in ‘dire circumstances’. They’re outnumbered massively.

That's the only time women should be in direct combat where in situations like that, you need to arm everybody if there is a threat of getting overrun. Well in that case, I'd be arming everyone from 10 years old to 100.

[Black Agnes]

Yup.

And I’m not in favor of everyone’s sons getting killed either, contrary to some assertions on this thread. Post Civil War in the south there were a lot of unwilling spinsters. Simply put, too many men in their marriageable demographic were either dead or too maimed to be marriageable.

Anyone who would fight a war based on ‘empathy’ has already lost. Best contact the leaders on the enemy side and see if you can negotiate terms of surrender that aren’t catastrophic for your side if you fight with ‘empathy’.

[B4Ranch]

>>Women have the babies. And only women who are healthy and between the years of roughly 14 and 40. Eliminate those citizens or their potential childbearing years via death or simple conscription and your fertility level will plummet.<<

Have you considered this is the true reason the diversity lovers want women in the military?

[Black Agnes]

Absolutely. I believe I’ve mentioned that further down in the thread.

I also believe there will eventually (within 10 years) be a draft for women between 18 and 45. That the ‘fairness’ of assignments will be just as unbiased as the IRS audits, OSHA inspections, FBI investigations and DOJ cases. Berkeley daughters unfortunate enough to be drafted will sit desk jobs stateside. Rural Alabama conservative daughters will be given the most dangerous patrols possible. They will probably be given rather more ‘permanent’ ‘temporary’ sterilants as well. Who would know? It would take decades to figure that out.

Anyone who thinks otherwise probably believe Seal Team Six’s deaths were random products of a dangerous environment.

[PapaBear3625]

Sorry, but there HAVE been societies/nations who sent their women into ground combat. The most recent being Israel. They stopped because their women weren't efficient ground combat troops.

It wasn't so much about the women being inefficient, as much as the problems with the men when women were involved. Men would tend to go save the women, even when it jeopardized the mission. Men would get upset when women were killed, and commit atrocities in response. Plus arabs would fight twice as hard rather than run away from women. So the women had to go.

Women DO have a role in the Israeli military, but it has more to do with being around to protect the children in case the bad guys get past the men, and to function in support and training slots, so as to free up men for combat.

[B4Ranch]

>>Anyone who thinks otherwise probably believe Seal Team Six’s deaths were random products of a dangerous environment.<<

A BIG BUMP FOR TRUTH!

[Secret Agent Man]

That is NOT WHAT YOU SAID.

You talked about men dying like they were just NUMBERS. Not like people.

You want to be righteously angry about a wrongly-perceived guy discussing what it will take to get women out of combat roles as him saying he wants to blow your daughter up, and dismiss millions of guys who have died merely as “numbers” and not having moms who feel the exact same things about THEIR CHILDREN as you do.

Hypocrite. You have zero empathy for moms with sons. You think you get some special extra anger because someone DOESN’T threaten your daughter but you take it that way, but the moms whose sons die in combat, well they can just take it because their children are expendable - YOUR WORD.

You are a total hypocrite. You can rationalize it however you want, I will not buy any of it.

Now, have a really nice day. DOne with you.

[Black Agnes]

Is your anger because you’re male and childless?

Just asking.

Roman mothers told their sons ‘with your shield or on it’.

Were they just numbers and hated their sons?

Any leadership who sends WOMEN into COMBAT isn’t about ‘fairness’ or ‘winning’ (unless it’s a last resort move to prevent being overrun).

Sending WOMEN into COMBAT is about the elimination of the originating culture. No leaders who desire to preserve the culture will have young women killed.

Any man worth his snuff who loves his mother, aunts and sisters and desires to prevent his daughters from being raped and made slaves will gladly give his life in war to prevent that happening.

Any man who would ask his mother, aunts, sisters and daughters to die for any reason, in his place, doesn’t deserve to have XX chromosomes or huevos.