[jimbo123]

Any visa is amnesty.

Exactly. And Karl Rove is already pimping "It's not amnesty. It's a probationary visa" nonsense. Does the GOP-e think we're stupid?

[SpaceBar]

However this goes down, it will be forever enshrined in the public consciousness that the current crop of politicians on both sides are just out-and-out traitors to the nation and their oaths. A standing army ready to replace us awaits for mobilization with the stroke of a legislator’s pen. Bloody wars have been fought over much less.

[TomGuy]

Karl Rove is already pimping "It's not amnesty. It's a probationary visa" nonsense. Does the GOP-e think we're stupid?

They must.

They tried the same tactics actually 4 times during GWBush's terms. Always the same, with some re-definitions: regularizing, legalizing, whatever they call it, they claim it isn't amnesty.

It is the same ole shell game, the same ole dipsy-doodle fast-step.

[I wonder whether Ryan is fast-talking like Rubio did, hoping the listeners won't catch the lies and misconceptions and deceptions?]