Posted on 07/19/2013 11:10:19 PM PDT by WilliamIII
Former vice president Dick Cheney said Sunday that Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) was wrong to suggest that the government’s recently revealed sweeping surveillance techniques are an invasion of Americans’ privacy. “Two-thirds of the Congress wasn’t here on 9/11, or for that period immediately after when we got into this program,” Cheney said on “Fox News Sunday.” He later added: “When you consider the possibility of somebody smuggling something like a nuclear device into the United States, it becomes very, very important to gather intelligence on your enemies and stop that attack before it ever gets launched.”
Cheney defended a National Security Agency program to collect phone records from millions of Americans, about which Paul has expressed deep concerns. The Kentucky senator announced last week that he has taken steps toward bringing legal action against the government over its surveillance efforts.
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I too support cheney, always have loved the guy...but its one thing to address the terrorism, its another not to call out Islam or the unsecured border.
God help us.
I’m right there with you on that. I have always liked Cheney, but the guy misses the mark by a mile here.
The Vietnam War was not like WWII. Literally everyone was doing what they could to stay out of it. If you start condemning folks who avoided it, you won’t have many people left from that period that you can support.
Et tu, Cheney?
What is it with these GOPers that, if they can’t at least support those that they should consider closest to them, they just can’t seem to keep their damn mouths shut and so end up siding with our enemies?
If you want to try and make it unconstitutional by rewriting the 4th amendment and getting that ratified...knock yourself out.
But this:
“Two-thirds of the Congress wasn’t here on 9/11, or for that period immediately after when we got into this program,” Cheney said on “Fox News Sunday.” He later added: “When you consider the possibility of somebody smuggling something like a nuclear device into the United States, it becomes very, very important to gather intelligence on your enemies and stop that attack before it ever gets launched.”
Is just the old, "Trust me, you need to give up your freedom for security," nonsense all power mongers try to get past the people.
I was there on 911, Dick, and so were most Americans. We want to catch and kill the bad guys. We do not want to use the largest fishing expedition in history and make all Americans treated like criminals to do it.
That dog don't hunt in these parts, Dick.
Use the program specifically for those people you can get a probable cause and judge order/warrant based on. That will allow you to track and catch the bad guys and the people who may associate with them.
Otherwise, you are sounding more and more like the type of powermongers we are dedicated to fighting and to stopping. The temptation for abuse, as we have already seen, is simply far too great to unleash such a program on all Americans and their personal data and effects.
Former Director of NSA Intelligence reveals the full extent of PRISM capabilities. MUST SEE!
Definitely a true disappointment.
Bombs not boots, when necessary.
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hear hear
And let me also add to this post that this surveillance has nothing to do with security. It has everything to do with databasing as much information on each citizen as they possibly can.
I’m involved in healthcare and I see what is happening with “Meaningful Use.”
I knew that HIPAA had nothing to do with “patient privacy” as it was sold (Orwellian Newspeak) and everything to do with establishing the channels to have all of your healthcare information shared among dozens of federal bureaucracies.
You needed a Xanax for that cross-country flight? That’s an anti-anxiety prescription. Maybe you shouldn’t be allowed to purchase that firearm.
HIPAA set up the precedent to share that personal, private information. Socialist Medicine under this administration is establishing the actual databases to collect and disseminate that information.
“Meaningful Use” ensures that a large amount of personal data IS captured and that it is captured in such a format that multiple databases (from multiple agencies) can tap into it.
Wake up, people.
Just like the IRS scandal was allowed to be leaked in order to dry up funding and vocal support for conservatives in 2014, the NSA scandal was leaked to shut you up in terms of speaking out against an Orwellian state.
The unAffordable Care Act has nothing to do with affordability and nothing to do with care. It has everything to do with destroying all vestiges of private healthcare and putting the state in control of that and, through healthcare, through just about all aspects of your life.
I just can’t buy people like Bush/Cheney/McCain who profess such intense concern over “national security” to the point of this massive domestic NSA data-mining, yet have been happily complicit in leaving the borders so wide open for year after year.
Seeing that Rand Paul is the only one who is actually standing up to the GOPE and the DNC, I think I’ll go with Rand Paul.
Well stated.
Actually 9/12 is the time phraseology. We are still living in a 9/10 USA. Iv’e always believed we should have taken care of
things HERE first by expelling Muslims and illegals.
That WAS the moment of “moral clarity”.
Instead , they put the burden of less freedoms ON Americans.
Just because I prefer one person over another I’m a lib ... BS and I say again BS. I’m as conservative as it gets. I voted for Sarah Palin for crying out loud and am a lifetime member of the Tea Party ... waiting for the establishment a conservative third party. I’m a lib? BS
So true. But more than the country, they had the whole civilized world with them.
A couple of months after 9/11, I was reading a magazine article written by an American who happened to be in Greece on 9/11. Greeks were going up to him and saying "we're all Americans now."
Many folks don't know this, but soon after 9/11 the Europeans invoked Article 5 of the NATO treaty, the attack-on-one-is-an-attack-all Article. NATO was ready to go all-in with us.
But Bush declined their help. That was incomprehensible, and almost criminally stupid.
Excellent post !
Dick Cheney is wrong.
Actually, I was still on active duty way back when Dick was in the first Bush administration. I loved the guy. Now, no more. I have lost all respect I ever had for Dick. He has dropped off my radar. I would never support him if he did run for president back in the day. Feel how you might, I refuse to like him any more.
Why not instead think for yourself and decide the issue based on the evidence?
A target of a search warrant is given the opportunity to show why a warrant should not be granted afterwards. That's the check to avoid unreasonable warrants.
Looks to me like no such check exits for what the NSA is doing.
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