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1 posted on 07/12/2013 6:17:38 AM PDT by thackney
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We sure are at the blunt end of this spear.


2 posted on 07/12/2013 6:30:48 AM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us about 0bama's America)
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I wonder how one would play this from an investment point of view? Which companies stand to benefit most?


3 posted on 07/12/2013 6:33:30 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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My dog is a natural gas vehicle. Especially when I give him chicken.


5 posted on 07/12/2013 6:36:18 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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Not long ago, I took my van to be washed at the Flying J truckstop in Wytheville Virginia. You must thread your way through all the big rigs and a scale to get to the back of the lot and the truck wash.

I was astounded to find the path taken before was blocked. There was a brand new covered pump area. It is the Pilot Flying J/ T Boone Pickens big rig natural gas filling station. It was blocked off and not operational but appeared ready to go.

The success f failure of this experiment will be telling for the future.


6 posted on 07/12/2013 6:38:25 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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If natural gas is cheap, viable energy alternative the misanthropic eco-nuts will find a way to stop it through a little "scientific" sleight-of-hand.

Their real goal is to wipe out five or six billion human beings, by whatever means necessary.

8 posted on 07/12/2013 6:40:47 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who could have guessed that one day pro wrestling would be less fake than mainstream journalism?)
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I’ve looked into NG for vehicles a little.

I live in the city and work not too far outside it.

There is one natural gas filling station in the area, and by coincidence, it’s not too far from my house at the the local gas utility’s facility.

But there are two problems...

1) The gas filling station is not open to the public

2) The EPA has made it practically impossible to convert an existing vehicle to natural gas (or propane, for that matter) legally. Conversions have to be “certified” and tested, meaning they are very expensive and only available for a limited number of vehicles.

In the current environment, it’s only practical for fleet usage.


13 posted on 07/12/2013 6:50:33 AM PDT by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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“According to the IEA, it can cost from $400,000 to $1.7 million to build a compressed-natural-gas filling station, and up to $4 million for a liquefied-natural-gas station. By comparison, a gasoline station costs from $50,000 to $150,000. “

I’m willing to bet that the $400,000 to $1.7M has a lot to do with compliance. We can develop technology in this country, but we cannot implement it. Also, I’m not sure how you could get a gas station built for $50,000. You might buy one for that in a rather depressed real estate market, but you would never build one for that. If I bought a gas station for $50K, I wonder how much would it cost to convert it? This is the wave of the future, and our policy makers are utterly blind to it.


15 posted on 07/12/2013 6:58:03 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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Is anyone beginning to get the feeling that the “Big Players” are starting the process to convince everyone to go Nat. Gas with the real purpose of rising prices and manipulating the market? I could see Obama pushing natural gas simply to kill off the oil industry, for example.

I like natural gas, and we have tons of it.

But I no longer trust anything on its face value.

(*Has anyone noticed that in every study [health, lifespan, &c] we come in basically last, yet we control the world and everyone wants to be here? LOL)


17 posted on 07/12/2013 7:08:45 AM PDT by Noamie
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Those charts clearly point out that natgas vehicles have taken off ONLY in countries where there is government support for the concept. That Figure 12 chart shows that N. America has been flat lined for 20 years. Without federal government support, the VERY EXPENSIVE conversion of vehicles from diesel or gasoline to natgas will continue in the USA v e r y v e r y s l o w l y. We will wind up exporting our tremendous natgas supply to other countries who are wisely making the conversion to cleaner, cheaper fuel while we continue to import expensive foreign oil from countries that hate us.


24 posted on 07/12/2013 7:39:08 AM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us about 0bama's America)
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I may have ‘free gas’ on the farm soon when they finally get to my area to frack (within 2 years). It would be nice to be able to fill up a vehicle to zip around the farm. Anything over my free allocation is still very cheap since the price is at the well head. I might consider getting a car/truck and filling it at the farm. I wonder if that is possible.


30 posted on 07/12/2013 8:15:50 AM PDT by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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“According to the IEA, it can cost from $400,000 to $1.7 million to build a compressed-natural-gas filling station, and up to $4 million for a liquefied-natural-gas station. By comparison, a gasoline station costs from $50,000 to $150,000.”

sounds like an opportunity

someone can do, or pay for, the R&D to bring down the cost of installing what’s needed at fueling stations outfitted to supply natural gas for transportation

as for locations, I’d know where I’d start (not sayin)


39 posted on 07/12/2013 9:05:07 AM PDT by Wuli (qu)
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Point 11. Natural gas in the form of propane, the most common version of this, says liquid at -30C or -22F. That is, it will not vaporize to run the engine. Schools here in Canada with buses running on propane shut down when it is that cold because the buses will not run. The same would be true for other vehicles.
43 posted on 07/12/2013 9:41:05 AM PDT by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold))
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Yes it is amazing that that it costs $400,000 to $1.7 million to build a station, yet 3rd world hell holes can pump it on the cheap! Does anyone really think it costs that much to build one in the 3rd world? lol Poor ole American’s taking it in the shorts once again.


53 posted on 07/14/2013 7:30:30 AM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Tastes like Heaven, Burns like Hell! Mmmmmm. What is it?)
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