Is it Alright to Abort a Lesbian Baby?

Townhall.com ^ | July 10, 2013 | Michael Brown

[Kaslin]

What if the “born gay” fallacy was true and it was possible to identify a “gay baby” in the womb? Would the flaming liberals who so fiercely cling to a woman’s “right to choose” affirm her “right” to abort a gay fetus?

There is now a ridiculous TV commercial airing in Australia which allows this question to be asked, although that is surely a totally unintended consequence of the ad.

The commercial shows an expectant mom and dad in the doctor’s office having an ultra-sound. After informing the parents that everything looks good, the doctor asks the beaming couple, “Now, would you like to know what you’re having?”

When they say they would, the doctor replies, “You’re having a lesbian” – to the parents great joy. In fact, as the camera moves out of the room, you can hear the expectant mother proudly say, “A lesbian . . . .” (You can watch the commercial here. Seeing is believing – or maybe not.)

The words on the screen then read: “Any child can be born gay. So marriage equality is every family’s issue.”

Of course, the premise of the ad is completely preposterous, as there remains no reputable scientific evidence that children are born gay or lesbian, let alone a test (or ultrasound!) that could determine homosexuality in the womb.

And it has been demonstrated both anecdotally and clinically that there is much more sexual fluidity among women than men, meaning that a woman might move from heterosexual to homosexual and back over the course of a lifetime (or vice versa). So much for being “born lesbian.”

It is with good reason, then, that lesbian author Camille Paglia famously wrote, “No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous.”

But for the sake of argument, and to go along with the absurd premise of the commercial, what if homosexuality was innate and there was a test to identify gay babies? Would it be acceptable to abort a gay fetus? Where would liberals stand on this moral issue?

As I noted in my book A Queer Thing Happened to America, “In 2008, Southern Baptist leader Al Mohler created a firestorm of controversy when he suggested that if it was determined that people were born homosexual, then perhaps a treatment for homosexuality could be found. Gay activists were outraged by his comments (is anyone surprised?), and he even came under attack from conservatives who felt he had capitulated to the ‘born that way’ theory.

“But let’s think about this for a moment: If it is OK to put a girl with gender identity disorder on medication to delay the onset of puberty, then, as a teenager, to offer her sex-change surgery, then to put her on hormonal medication the rest of her life, why would it be wrong to look for a medical ‘treatment’ for homosexuality? And why would it be wrong to begin such treatment in the womb?

“Why is one treatment – a far more radical one! – fully acceptable while another one – far less radical and invasive – unacceptable? Why is one, which involves genital mutilation, applauded as progressive while the other, which does not affect the physical body at all, considered regressive? . . .

“If a gay person could be saved the stigma of rejection in a heterosexual world and could have new desires that would allow him or her to have offspring with the person he or she loves simply by getting a series of injections, wouldn’t it be worth it?”

All such talk, of course, is completely off limits (simply stated, if homosexuality is not a sickness, it doesn’t need a cure), but if gay activists want to push their “born gay” argument, then it’s only fair to ask if it’s morally acceptable to abort an allegedly gay fetus. Why not?

After all, in May, Democrats voted against a House bill “that sought to impose fines and prison terms on doctors who perform abortions on women who are trying to select the gender of their offspring — a practice known as sex-selective abortion.”

Coinciding with the House vote, The pro-life Live Action group released [an] undercover video . . . showing a Planned Parenthood clinic worker willing to help a woman abort her baby if it's a girl.” As quoted on the video, the worker explains, “I can tell you that here at Planned Parenthood, we believe that it's not up to us to decide what is a good or a bad reason for somebody to decide to terminate a pregnancy.”

Presumably, then, this same worker would have told the couple on the Australian commercial, “Of course, if you choose to abort your little lesbian, that would be fine as well.”

Perhaps the “born gay” argument is not where gay activists really want to go?

[In Another Time...]

Yeah, you’re right. Forgot about the “Right to Be Sick”
(and a pawn in somebody’s identity War)

[In Another Time...]

“aborting alcoholics!?!?”

—It would get WAY too boring!

[workerbee]

7 teenagers?!?!

Okay, you’re hearby forgiven for all visceral responses for the next decade! ;-)

[miss marmelstein]

Yes! We’re all gonna have to work out these deeply moral questions!

[brent13a]

We are all born SINNERS.

I have never seen such a teaching in Jesus' words nor in the Old Testament from which Jesus taught G-d's Word.

You're arguing, then, that people are born gay?

The whole point of G-d's Word and Jesus' teachings (and what sets them apart from the heathen religions) aside from the monotheism part, is that man has free-will and choice.....man can chose to follow the Word of G-d or he can chose to live a life of sin (going against G-d's Word).

When G-d breathes His Breath of Life into your body He is not breathing a dirty corrupted breath into your body. Saying that you're born sinful is saying that G-d purposefully creates a dirty corrupted human baby from His own dirty sinful likeness. Where does Jesus or G-d teach that nonsense?

Man choses to sin, otherwise the teachings of Jesus and the Word of G-d make zero sense.

[CityCenter]

This is actually a great argument to present to liberals and one I’ve made to them myself more than once. If they truly support abortion for any reason then they would have to support abortion for this reason. That said, I don’t believe a gene will ever be found that can be linked to what is clearly a preference and not a physical characteristic in human beings.

[Balding_Eagle]

I think a law should be passed limiting abortions to registered Democrat women.

If they can prove they have been registered as Ds for more than 5 years the abortion is paid for by the government.

Registered Republicans would get prison time.

[xp38]

exactly...that is the issue that makes them want to suddenly change the subject

[xp38]

exactly right which is why it is useless to debate the left

[Slyfox]

"Ma'am, you are pregnant with an Obama."

[Secret Agent Man]

of course, as the left reminds us all the time re personhood, they are not babies, they are tissue or fetuses that are not viable outside the mom.

[Secret Agent Man]

psalm 51:5

david - surely i was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

[bmwcyle]

Gay is not genetic. There is no such child.

[Elsie]

How would one know the baby was a lesbian?

Don’t they REALLY mean: “Is it ok to abort a lesbian’s baby?”

Of course; the answer is no. to aborting ANY baby!

[Elsie]

AMEN!

[exDemMom]

Of course, the premise of the ad is completely preposterous, as there remains no reputable scientific evidence that children are born gay or lesbian, let alone a test (or ultrasound!) that could determine homosexuality in the womb.

Some recent research suggests that abnormal conditions in the womb during pregnancy predispose a male baby towards becoming homosexual (it is not genetic). If that is the case, then it should be possible to test the pregnant mother for those conditions, and perhaps give her a prescription to bring her pregnancy hormones back to normal levels, thus preventing her baby from becoming homosexual.

Regardless of whether gays are born that way, homosexuality is a pathology. It does gays no good to refuse to research cures for it, so that they could have the prospect of living a normal life. Sorry, but gay "marriage" is not going to give them the normal life they crave. Only a real cure can do that.

[brent13a]

psalm 51:5
david - surely i was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

The poetry of Psalms is easy to purposefully misinterpret. David is simply exclaiming he was conceived into a world of sin.
It’s no different than a woman saying “In drunkenness my husband beat me”’or a child saying “in anger my father whipped me,” the woman was not drunk when she was beaten nor was the child angry when he was whipped.
The woman says “In drunkenness my husband beat me,” because her husband was drunk when he beat her. Likewise the father was angry when he whipped the child.
Therefore, David exclaims his mother brought him forth into a world of sin NOT that he was conceived full of sin in the womb.

Behold, I was shaped in (a world of) unlawfulness, and in (a world of) sin did my mother create me.

The Word of G-d teaches that sin is not inherited and that a child must reach a certain level of maturity before he is able to chose between lawfulness and unlawfulness.

Jesus’ teaches (based on the Word of G-d) that qualities of little children are set forth as models for those who would aspire to enter the kingdom. It makes absolutely zero sense that Jesus would tell us to emulate little evil sinners that are sinners from birth.

Like I said above, believing in the non-biblical doctrine of “original sin” means that if G-d creates us in His image then he is creating corrupted sinful humans in His corrupted sinful image.

[Secret Agent Man]

we are conceived by sinful people. the natural nature that exists in man is the sin nature. babies are the most self-centered people in the world just below the genito-centered liberals. if we were not sinful, children would have to learn how to be selfish, hold grudges, fight, lie, etc. what do we all have to learn from the time we understand there are other people in the world we have to get along with? what comes naturally? it isn’t being nice and doing the right things.

[brent13a]

we are conceived by sinful people. the natural nature that exists in man is the sin nature. babies are the most self-centered people in the world just below the genito-centered liberals. if we were not sinful, children would have to learn how to be selfish, hold grudges, fight, lie, etc. what do we all have to learn from the time we understand there are other people in the world we have to get along with? what comes naturally? it isn’t being nice and doing the right things.

That is a cynical philosophy that isn't taught in the "Old Testament" nor is it taught by Jesus.
In fact, I find that to be a very sad point of view.

[Secret Agent Man]

wrong, it is sincerely biblical. it is the reality of a world of fallen human beings. it is the truth. we have to spend our whole lives learning to be nice. our self-control is required to prevent us from doing bad/wrong things, not to stop us from doing too many nice/right things.

eve yone’s heart is deceitfully wicked. naturally. the good deeds of men are dirty rags in God’s sight. we fight against the old adam that is our natural’sin nature, every day. at least those of us who are saved have Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and a new nature, a new adam, in us. and even with all this in us we still fall short.