[brent13a]

psalm 51:5
david - surely i was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

The poetry of Psalms is easy to purposefully misinterpret. David is simply exclaiming he was conceived into a world of sin.
It’s no different than a woman saying “In drunkenness my husband beat me”’or a child saying “in anger my father whipped me,” the woman was not drunk when she was beaten nor was the child angry when he was whipped.
The woman says “In drunkenness my husband beat me,” because her husband was drunk when he beat her. Likewise the father was angry when he whipped the child.
Therefore, David exclaims his mother brought him forth into a world of sin NOT that he was conceived full of sin in the womb.

Behold, I was shaped in (a world of) unlawfulness, and in (a world of) sin did my mother create me.

The Word of G-d teaches that sin is not inherited and that a child must reach a certain level of maturity before he is able to chose between lawfulness and unlawfulness.

Jesus’ teaches (based on the Word of G-d) that qualities of little children are set forth as models for those who would aspire to enter the kingdom. It makes absolutely zero sense that Jesus would tell us to emulate little evil sinners that are sinners from birth.

Like I said above, believing in the non-biblical doctrine of “original sin” means that if G-d creates us in His image then he is creating corrupted sinful humans in His corrupted sinful image.

[Secret Agent Man]

we are conceived by sinful people. the natural nature that exists in man is the sin nature. babies are the most self-centered people in the world just below the genito-centered liberals. if we were not sinful, children would have to learn how to be selfish, hold grudges, fight, lie, etc. what do we all have to learn from the time we understand there are other people in the world we have to get along with? what comes naturally? it isn’t being nice and doing the right things.

[Elsie]

The Word of G-d teaches that sin is not inherited and that a child must reach a certain level of maturity before he is able to chose between lawfulness and unlawfulness.

Like I said above, believing in the non-biblical doctrine of “original sin” means that if G-d creates us in His image then he is creating corrupted sinful humans in His corrupted sinful image.

Adam THANKS you!

He's been getting a bum rap for a long, LONG time!

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That Jesus fella said a lot of stuff; didn't he!

 

 

John 3:18 (niv)

 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

 

Romans 5:12-21 (niv)

¹² Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

¹³ To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. ¹⁴ Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.

¹⁵ But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! ¹⁶ Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. ¹⁷ For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

¹⁸ Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. ¹⁹ For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

²⁰ The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, ²¹ so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

 

[Elsie]

The Word of G-d teaches that sin is not inherited and that a child must reach a certain level of maturity before he is able to chose between lawfulness and unlawfulness.

I'd like to see that teaching; found in the Word of G-d.