777 Crash at SFO (San Francisco)

Twitter ^ | July 6, 2013

[FreedomPoster]

Currently just Tweets and locals talking about this, nothing on news sites yet. Lots of stuff in the Twitter feed, including links to uploaded videos of the smoking mess.

[4Zoltan]

Some of the injured are said to have severe road rash as if they skid on pavement. And one of the girls killed was found on the runway and the other a mile(?) away. So it appears passengers were being ejected from the plane as it skid down the run away.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-plane-crash-hospitals-20130707,0,3410271.story

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-sf-plane-crash-passenger-ejected-20130707,0,2789256.story

The pilots may have been confused about their speed.

“The target speed for the approach of Asiana Flight 214 was 137 knots, and the crew can be heard on the cockpit voice recorder acknowledging the speed, Hersman said.”

“But the speed was significantly below 137 knots, and “we are not talking about a few knots,” she said.”

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/07/us/plane-crash-main/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[Golfinsocal]

Will the cause of this air speed differential ( readout via pilot HUD, against actual physical speed) be defined in this:

http://www.davi.ws/avionics/TheAvionicsHandbook_Cap_11.pdf

Did the pilots know this 777 aircraft speed was well below the requirement for a landing, perhaps I have the facts wrong?!

[Golfinsocal]

QUOTE

• A failure which results in some particular component remaining active, but the functionality it provides is in error. An example of this failure would be a Low Range Radio Altimeter whose output is indicating the airplane is at an altitude 500 ft above the ground when the airplane is actually 200 ft above the ground.

[moviefan8]

Fire Truck May Have Run Over Asiana Plane Crash Victim
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Fire-Truck-May-Have-Run-Over-Asiana-Plane-Crash-Victim-214546021.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_BAYBrand

How horrible.

[Still Thinking]

I opine that the skipper of this flight wished to show his prowess by making good a bad approach.

Bit of a career misjudgment, that. Oopsie!

[4Zoltan]

Interesting that this was a veteran pilot but was considered to be in-training for the for the 777. This was his first time landing a 777 at SFO. There was an experienced 777 pilot with him.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-crash-asiana-20130706,0,54068.story

Maybe a confluence of things contributed to the crash.

[WSGilcrest]

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=9164865&pid=null

Confirms your speculation.

[reg45]

“Fuel slushy” problem was with Rolls Royce engines, not Pratt and Whitney engines. This plane had PW engines.

[jughandle]

After seeing a picture of the approach end of the runway, maybe he was trying a little too hard to touch down on the numbers...??

[Amerigomag]

At this point in the information available this was pure cowboy.

Two hotshots went VFR in an an amateurish attempt to touch down on the runway threshold. If the aircraft's equipment is found faultless, these two cowboys should be stripped of their airman's certificates and criminally prosecuted, followed by a civil suit to recover all the assets they possess.

[Still Thinking]

If that’s the case, they weren’t very good at it. The rock wall they whacked was 600 feet before the threshold according to other comments.

[PghBaldy]

LA Times confirmed TSA caused headache:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-officials-passengers-described-chaos-after-crash-20130706,0,7930406.story

[SgtBob]

A “BFO @ SFO”? Big F¥€|<|n@ Oopsie?

[SgtBob]

Nah...touchdown zone’s about 500 feet past the threshold.

[First_Salute]

L. A. Times amended the article -— now it says (near the end):

“...officials later said, TSA conducted standard security checks in an expedited line, but the additional screenings were conducted by United Airlines workers and U.S. Customs and Border Patrol agents.”

[Still Thinking]

LOL, I like it!

[Yosemitest]

Thanks. My phone/internet has been OTS for several days due to lightning strike and burn our of equipment at the phone company's main junction box several miles away.
Hence the slow response.
Are you familiar with a "Wing Slip" or a "Wing Slide" ?
Some pilots will use this to get rid of a lot of altitude fast and still make the approach, but it requires a very experienced pilot.

[Yosemitest]

At a very busy airport, it's not likely that they would have even caught it.
At a military airport, they would have picked up the binoculars to verify he had his gear down and then went about their business, and there's less than a 30 percent chance they would have told him to "GO AROUND".
That "GO AROUND" call was probably the supervising pilot telling the trainee pilot to go around.
But the momentum of the heavy aircraft had not enough time to respond, and they're very lucky to be alive.
In an FAA tower, as well as the military towers, their head is on a swivel, so to speak, and there are many things to do, and very little time to do it in.
A glance to make sure there is runway clearance, the landing aircraft ahead of him has exited the runway, or is anticipated to be exited before the one on final crosses landing threshold.
This is a learned judgment call, but is very critical and if the lead aircraft is also a heavy, then there is wake turbulence to be considered, but with both the left and the right runways in use, this is normally taken care of before the radar final controller turns them over to tower.

[Yosemitest]

"Thereis no difference in mental amd stress capacity between men and women."

Dream on.
I've seen it, experienced it, and had to correct their mistakes from it.
Dream on!

[Mom MD]

You dream on as well. I’ve had to clean up similar mistakes from men. I don’t know what your problem with women is, but I hope you get over it at some point.