Posted on 06/28/2013 2:34:32 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
Just to preface her post, a good point by DrewM:
DrewM @DrewMTips
How many ppl saying "cut Marco slack. Don't write him off in 16" would FREAK out if he became pro-choice & helped Dems loosen abortion laws? 2:41 PM - 28 Jun 2013
We all have our red line issues, as Drew says. Offhand, I cant think of a single person I know privately or on Twitter who supports (or is indifferent to) the Gang of Eight bill and who also traditionally has treated border security as a red line. Everyone wants better border security and everybody thinks its important for immigrants to follow the rule of law, but when push comes to shove, some people are okay with bending on this in the name of other political goals and others are not. If you believe the polls about background checks and gun control, we might very well win a few extra votes by caving on that too. Want to do that? We might also win some votes by declaring our support for abortion in the first trimester. Okay to do that? We all have our red lines.
Heres Palin drawing a red line of her own for people angry about the big amnesty pander. Whole post is at the link, but this is the key bit:
Great job, GOP establishment. Youve just abandoned the Reagan Democrats with this amnesty bill, and we needed them to enlarge that tent of which you so often speak. Its depressing to consider that the House of Representatives is threatening to pass some version of this nonsensical bill in the coming weeks.
Once again, Ill point out the obvious to you: it was the loss of working class voters in swing states that cost us the 2012 election, not the Hispanic vote. Legal immigrants respect the rule of law and can see how self-centered a politician must be to fill this amnesty bill with favors, earmarks, and crony capitalists pork, and call it good. You disrespect Hispanics with your assumption that they desire ignoring the rule of law.
Folks like me are barely hanging on to our enlistment papers in any political party and its precisely because flip-flopping political actions like amnesty force us to ask how much more bull from both the elephants in the Republican Party and the jackasses in the Democrat Party we have to swallow before these political machines totally abandon the average commonsense hardworking American. Now we turn to watch the House. If they bless this new bi-partisan hyper-partisan devastating plan for amnesty, well know that both private political parties have finally turned their backs on us. It will then be time to show our parties hierarchies what we think of being members of either one of these out-of-touch, arrogant, and dysfunctional political machines.
I dont know how disrespected Hispanics feel by the immigration reform push; according to Pew, 90 percent think illegals should have a way to stay legally in the U.S. and 59 percent think they should be allowed to apply for legal status even before border improvements have been made. Her broader point, though, about the partys crushing failure to engage effectively with the working- and middle-class is spot on. Thats what I was getting at in the McCain post: This amnesty charade is simply the GOPs way of dressing a gaping economic wound that cuts across racial demographics by putting an identity-politics band-aid on it, as if legalizing more cheap labor to make things even harder on working-class Americans doesnt make the problem worse. The real reason to despair and start thinking third-party isnt the amnesty bill itself, its the fact that this is what the party feels compelled to resort to now in lieu of building a better economic agenda. If they cant figure out how to talk to people who arent entrepreneurs about pocketbook issues, then why keep donating to them and organizing for them? Theyve flunked politics 101. Were pumping a dry well here.
‘A large segment of the economy will go underground, leaving limited resources for the freeloaders.’
Don’t worry those in power will find a way of getting the money. ie. Tripling gas prices over the last 5 years!
AS USUAL, THE FABULOUS BRAINY BEAUTY ANN COULTER TELLS US ALL THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED ...YOU CAN READ HER LATEST ...AND GO HOME...ALL THAT NEEDS TO BE SAID IS SAID RIGHT HERE BOYS AND GIRLS:
NEW GOP STRATEGY: GIVE DEMOCRATS A BIG HEAD START!
June 26, 2013
After the bad news on gay marriage out of the Supreme Court this week, heres some good news for conservatives: Demographics are on our side!
As M. Stanton Evans has recently pointed out, Believers in religious doctrine, the traditional family and pro-life attitudes on abortion are systematically outperforming their secular-liberal opponents in the demographic sweepstakes having appreciably more children per couple resulting in a fertility gap that works against the liberals.
Republican states, such as Utah and Kentucky, have been steadily gaining population, while liberal states, such as New York and Vermont, are consistent demographic losers. It should not come as a surprise, though it always does, that people opposed to abortion are out-populating those who consider abortion a right.
Jewish publications have repeatedly observed that the declining fertility rate among all American Jews except the Orthodox the group that votes 86 percent Republican means that, in another generation or two, Jews could be majority Republican. (What a wonderful world it would be if Marco Rubio had half of Chuck Schumers IQ!)
But liberals always have a workaround. For decades, their solution to the lefts demographic collapse has been immigration. Idiot Republicans being buffaloed into supporting Rubios amnesty bill are not merely throwing Democrats a lifeline theyre allowing Democrats to flip an imminent conservative victory into a permanent liberal majority.
With native-born liberals unwilling to reproduce themselves, liberals need a constant influx of new Democratic voters from other countries and there happen to be 11 million of them living here right now! Contrary to Rubio-Republicans who think they all look alike, the vast majority of Hispanics are not social conservatives. (Thats blacks, Marco.) In addition to being the one ethnic group most opposed to capitalism even more than Occupy Wall Street protesters! polls show that Hispanics are more pro-abortion than other Americans (66 percent of Hispanics versus 50 percent of other voters) and favor gay marriage more than other Americans (59 percent compared to 48 percent of all voters). They also support big government by an astronomical 75 percent and Obamacare, in particular, by 62 percent. (Polls: Pew, ABC, ABC, Pew, Fox)
Of course the Democrats want these illegals voting!
It is of no concern to the Democratic Party that illegal aliens are lawbreakers and overwhelmingly minimum-wage workers. Liberals dont care about the working class having millions more low-skilled workers competing with them, and they certainly dont care about the country. They just want to win elections. (If only it would occur to Republicans that they need to win elections, too.)
Next, Democrats will be demanding that we set up polling booths in the prisons and sending Marco Rubio out to argue that we already have de facto prison-voting.
As happens with so much mischievous legislation, Republicans are being told, We have got to do this yesterday! If we dont produce a global warming bill, the American people will have our heads! If we dont pass campaign finance reform tomorrow, the voters will punish us! Youre not seriously thinking of blocking a new gun control bill, are you?
Then, it always turns out: No, theres not going to be a backlash. The only politicians ever punished for a gun vote were the entire House Democratic caucus in the Republican sweep of 1994. The only politician who was ever punished for his position on global warming is Al Gore.
But Democrats love to act like everythings a crisis, so Republicans dont have time to think and can be stampeded into doing something stupid. When it comes to government, doing nothing is often the best course.
Republicans have to understand: You are not going to be punished by Hispanics for voting against this Obamacare-like monstrosity of an amnesty bill. If you have Hispanics in your district, theyre already voting against you.
The Lindsey Graham argument is: Now when they vote against you, theyll really hate you.
Hispanics are 8.4 percent of the electorate, so were talking about the 80 percent of 8.4 percent of voters who will never vote Republican, anyway. They will allegedly hold this one anti-amnesty vote against Republicans despite polls showing Hispanics dont care about amnesty. Those are the voters Republicans are determined to make hate them less, while enraging every American who doesnt benefit from cheap labor or Democratic votes.
Meanwhile, dont imagine, Republicans, that you can buy off your anti-amnesty constituents with another meaningless vote to repeal Obamacare.
Does it occur to these brainless wonders in the GOP that the Democrats wouldnt be agitating for amnesty if it didnt get them votes? Thats all its about. Liberals want the rest of the worlds poor to come here not only to raise their children, clean their houses, manicure their lawns and cook their meals, but to give birth to the Democratic children that liberals arent having.
It isn't just you, bbernard. Every conservative in this country, Floridian or not, feels the same way. Truth be told, most of us have felt like that for some time before Rube came along.
The Sheriffs in Lancaster would accompany city inspectors who were doing Section 8 inspections.
The violators (of whom there were very many) did not like getting caught.
Sorry.
I posted that reply to the wrong thread.
USA is bankrupt, propped up on nothing but the work of illegals who have funds confiscated via SS illegal numbers...and paying taxes on every bill they receive...from cable, cell phone, cigarettes, beer, electricity, gasoline...etc etc.
Oh please, the poor illegals......my ass.
That is no different that the average citizen
who in addition has to carry the expense of illegal
aliens health care, schooling, crime etc.
I’ll be right behind her.
I always said—If the GOP lost to Obama in 2012 it was time for a new party to be formed. Now is the time for a new movement—a 3rd party—a party for real Conservatives—our British Cousins across the pond have shown us the way—The UKIP us showing that there is a third way. We need to do the same—From the Tea party and Constitutional party should come the USIP United States Independent Party! Out watch word is independence from Washington Elits. No more Vichy Republicans and false flag Conservatives-—Our Motto—OUT NOW! Lead us o followers of the right! Palin, Cruz, lee—etc... let the right wing blaze a new path in American Politics—Our goal to become a Major player in three Years!
Our Animal Symbol should be one of three things. A) A Rattlesnake with Motto Don’t Tread on Me, B) A Mama Bear, C) a wise Owl. USIP is a good name but we might come up with others—any suggestions?
it’s MRS. Palin
explain why the GOP is doing everything they can to EMBRACE the new tax base aka illegals?
Someone has to pay for the retiring baby boomers...it isn’t going to be the dwindling whites who cant breed as fast as the non whites...
wake up BOTH parties sold out the USA...
whites supporting the illegals to help pad their social security...sounds like a great DC ponzi scheme...
can’t you see it?
sheesh...wake up all the evidence is all around you!
You have my envy.
Same here. A truly Conservative 3rd party would take off like a wild fire.
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Count me in. I’ve had it with the Republicrats.
Might/mites grow on a chickens’ ass. Been time to leave the party of traitors.
You betcha!!
LLS
The Party of Reagan,
SCOTH, for "the shinning city on the hill", Reagan's phrase.
This is a good time to break free of the Republican chains. Up to this point, it has been vote for them unless you want the leftists to win. If they pass an amnesty bill in the House, the Republicans will not be capable of winning.
A party based on the principles of conservatism that have been supported and implemented by Gov. Palin would attract many voters. The candidate would attract many voters. You can easily win a 3 way election with 40% of the vote. The work to be done would be considerable, but based on what both parties are doing to the country, the votes are there if the candidate is right and if we are willing to make it happen.
Many Obama voters from 2008 stayed home in 2012. Now after Benghazi, AP/FOX, IRS, DOJ/NSA spying on all of us, many more “liberals” who care about their freedom will be hesitant to back the Democrats and scared of the Republicans. The time is right and the Republican establishment is blind.
No politician is perfect and Gov. Palin has said not to put faith in any person. They will surely disappoint you. She is a person who puts her faith in God, who lives by principle, and who stays true to her constituents, representing them, not special interests. That’s all we want. If we have such a leader, can Constitutional government be far behind?
Welcome to the fold everyone. Get ready for all sorts of hate to come your way from FR’s liberal GOP fanboys.
Just do NOT back down to their screaming.
If amnesty passes it's all over. America as a Constitutional Republic in it's present form and borders is finished.
That means there are probably only two ways it can end. It may take a couple of years, but it will likely be one of the following;
1. Most Americans roll over and become slaves of the leftist fascist state run by the power elites and supported by their parasite followers. The dissenters will be identified and crushed by either government coercion or outright force. Millions of the "incorrigible" must be sent to the gulags to prevent further violence and there they will meet a slower but as sure an end...
2. We revisit 1776 as a pattern for our Restoration. Those states and portions of states who are able to break away from the Mother Country (aka Washington DC, and the urban parasite and Liberal enclaves) do so and the country fractures into several or more different countries. There will be great violence, loss of life, and destruction of wealth as the Liberals and their parasites attempt to maintain control over their slipping empire...
Neither of the above is appealing. Both will mean a bloodbath and societal horror in this country unseen for over a century that will make the last Civil War seem tame. In the meantime, foreign enemies will come in to pick up our great treasures and pieces or real estate which we are no longer able to secure.
Those patriots left in Washington had better stand up now and be counted and not play the usual cute political games with this one. The GOP leadership in the House is at huge risk of being be sucked in like Rubio and the other Washingtonian Republicans in the Senate as a "compromise" (i.e. surrender) is reached. As far as the Democrats, there are so few patriots left among that group, one may as well write them off. If they cared about this country (except for something to exploit for their own wealth and power) they would already be with us.
We are approaching the Red Line. There is no other place to retreat to or run. Amnesty is the End Game. Destruction is the result.
Does anybody still wonder why there is so little ammo on the shelves for months? At a gut level, a lot of Americans fear what is going on and fear who is running Washington, and are taking personal precautions.
If we really want to "give peace a chance", now is the time for the GOP to do the right thing and embrace it while it is still possible. But that requires some guts and vision that heretofore have been almost totally lacking in those quarters.
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