Krauthammer: Nationalized gay marriage, now inevitable

The Washington Post ^ | June 27, 2013 | Dr. Charles Krauthammer

[2ndDivisionVet]

Under the Defense of Marriage Act, the federal government does not recognize same-sex marriages even in states that have legalized it. This week, the Supreme Court ruled DOMA unconstitutional.

There are two possible grounds, distinct and in some ways contradictory, for doing so. The curious thing about the court’s DOMA decision is that it contains both rationales.

The first is federalism. Marriage is the province of the states. Each state decides who is married and who is not. The federal government may not intrude. It must therefore recognize gay marriage where it has been legalized.

If that were the essence of the argument, the court’s 5-4 decision would have been constitutionally conservative, neither nationalizing nor delegitimizing gay marriage. It would allow the issue to evolve over time as the people decide state by state.

It would thus be the antithesis of Roe v. Wade. That judicial fiat swept away every state abortion law that did not conform to the court’s idea of what abortion law should be. Even many liberal supporters of abortion rights have admitted that Roe was an unfortunate way to change the law.....

[prairiebreeze]

Krauthammer was opining a couple of months ago that the SCOTUS wouldn’t rule in favor of queer “marriage” because of Roe and the divisiveness that still exists due to that ruling.

So I continue to take pretty much anything Krauthammer says with a grain of salt.

[highball]

So you’re basically saying ‘resistance is futile ‘ yeah?

Spoken like a true troll for the Homo lobby.

No, I am merely describing reality. We need to face the situation with open eyes if we are to have any hope of turning it around.

Polls are quite clear - even with the Mormon Church's money and organization, Prop 8 passed with a much smaller margin than Prop 22 did eight years earlier. Now gay marriage is polling at nearly 60%. Those are facts we're going to have to overcome.

Of course, if you don't have any facts on your side, you could always just lob a personal insult instead...

[Hostage]

Gay marriage is not polling at 60% except in the eyes of the homo world.

[highball]

Oh, you’re right. I forgot we need to Un-skew the polls, like before President Romney defeated... oh.

Come now. If you can’t admit the basic reality, how can we hope to change it? I don’t like the situation either, but this calls for steely-eyed conservative realism, not liberal pie-in-the-sky “I wish this is the way things were.”

[Hostage]

Where’s the poll showing 60%? You haven’t got one worth a damn else you would put it here.

Oh and if you find such a worthless poll be prepared to defend it.

[USS Johnston]

So is Amnesty, so is an Epic Depression, so is a Tyrannical State, and so is the Death of the Republic.

What -- me worry??

[highball]

Here’s two for you.

Un-skew this.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/california-same-sex-marriage/2013/06/10/id/509052

And this one.

http://www.newsmax.com/US/California-Poll-Same-Sex-Marriage/2013/02/28/id/492475

We don’t have to like it, but we can’t pretend it’s not happening. Otherwise we’re Romney at the end of his campaign, taking his foot off the gas because he’s convinced, convinced that he’s guaranteed to win.

Blindness does not become us. You don’t make unpleasant situations any better by pretending they don’t exist.

[Antoninus]

Isn't it funny how eager pukes like Krauthammer are to surrender?

Stuff it, pal. This is a fight that will never end because it it literally a battle between truth and fantasy.

[Antoninus]

The impetus really all began with Lawrence v. Texas where sodomy was decriminalized, i.e. legitimized by another profligate Supreme Court.

It is my understanding that Lawrence v. Texas not only legitimized sodomy, it made it impossible for sodomy to be criminalized anywhere, thus creating a new "God-given" right to sodomy.

From there to where we are now is a straight line.

The only thing we can do to stop this filth is a national marriage amendment. The wusses and armchair philosophers on this forum rejected that advice back in 2005, saying that DOMA was more than enough to protect us from the abomination of sodomite "marriage". The were absolutely wrong then.

The time for a national marriage amendment is now.

[Hostage]

So you believe in LA Times polls? Really? The LA Times Polls which are known to oversample democrats?

And the Field Poll out of San Francisco? The polling outfit that ***at the time Prop 8 passed*** in the year 2008 recorded that 51% approved and 42% disapproved allowing same-sex couples to marry and having regular marriage laws apply to them. Wow! Apparently the voters didn’t get the memo!

http://www.field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Rls2443.pdf

Here’s a Reuter’s Poll updated just this past Friday that has about the same cred as the two worthless ones you listed yet reports vastly different results:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/28/us-usa-court-gaymarriage-idUSBRE95R15220130628