1 in 12 on Bloomberg’s gun victims list are crime suspects

Washington Examiner ^ | JUNE 21, 2013 | PAUL BEDARD

[neverdem]

A preliminary analysis of the list of shooting “victims” New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s group Mayors Against Illegal Guns is reading at rallies for new gun control laws finds that one in 12 are crime suspects killed by police or armed citizens acting in self-defense.

 

The review of 617 killings found that 50 were suspects in crimes ranging from assault to murder, not the type of violence Bloomberg’s group suggests in its “No More Names” campaign to draw attention to the estimated 6,000 gun death “tragedies” since the mid-December Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings in Newton, Conn.

 

The group is using an online list published by Slate.com which simply lists the killings. In Concord, N.H. this week, Bloomberg’s group read the name of Boston Marathon terrorist Tamerlan Tsarnaev off the list during a rally. The group later apologized, saying that his name shouldn’t have been read because he was “not a victim.”

 

The National Rifle Association told Secrets that reading Tsarnaev’s name and including those of other suspected vicious criminals distorts and undermines the No More Names campaign as it travels through 25 states in 100 days to attack legislators opposed to expanded gun control.

 

“This calls into question every statistic that Bloomberg and MAIG has used and will use to promote their cause,” said NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam. “Bloomberg has proven that he will stop at nothing, including repeating flawed statistics, in pursuit of his gun control agenda.  And he'll do this with no regard for the truth.”

 

Mayors Against Illegal Guns said they plan to scrub the list. They also said the focus shouldn’t be on the circumstances of the shootings, but the numbers, according to Buzzfeed.

 

The NRA analysis has reviewed the first 18 days of killings on Slate’s post Newtown list, December 14-31. The NRA is reviewing the Slate list in chronological order and the analysis is ongoing. To determine the events, the NRA is using news clippings.

 

Examples found include an Ohio man shot by police while he was holding a gun in another man’s face, and a 79-year-old Indiana man who shot a 19-year-old who was attacking his granddaughter.

 

A separate analysis looked at 13 gun deaths in Montana listed on the Slate list used by Bloomberg’s group. It found that more than half were the result of police shootings or suicide.

[Irenic]

Hey, those crime suspects were lost union jobs!

[dila813]

Not surprised, even the United Nations considers criminals shot as victims of gun violence. They even count this against US Health Care statistics.

[AtlasStalled]

“They also said the focus shouldn’t be on the circumstances of the shootings, but the numbers”

So Nanny Bloomberg now wants to disarm cops, too?

[justlurking]

It found that more than half were the result of police shootings or suicide.

I expect at least 50% to be suicides. In the US, suicide by gunshot is one of the most popular methods, due to the available of firearms.

When firearm availability was restricted, the suicide rate by firearm declined. But, the total suicide rate did not change: people simply substituted other methods.

[Brooklyn Attitude]

1 in 12 is ~ 8% which is not that big a number.

[43north]

Those 6000 “gun deaths” mean 5900 fewer owebama voters which calculates to about 15000 fewer votes for him.

[MileHi]

1 in 12 is ~ 8% which is not that big a number.

Hey, n00b, it is plenty enough to show their blatant dishonesty.

Not sure I care for your "Brooklyn Attitude".

[puppypusher]

I wonder how many of those victims were actually gang bangers and people involved in the drug trade.

[Tilted Irish Kilt]

AtlasStalled ~:” So Nanny Bloomberg now wants to disarm cops, too? “
Nope he hasn’t said that !
The implication is that only Bloomberg’s bodyguards should be armed

No More Names: The Drive to Reduce Gun Violence will visit 25 states in 100 days.
Newtown Conn. 6/14/13 Friday
Concord N.H. 6/ 18/ 13 Tuesday Statehouse plaza

Bloomberg’s Personal Bodyguard : Leopold McLean, 49, shot his girlfriend’s ex-boyfriend outside her home in November 2010.
NYPD Det. Leopold McLean, 49, shot his girlfriend’s ex-boyfriend outside her home in November 2010.The shooting took place after the veteran NYPD officer had dropped off Mayor Bloomberg’s daughter Georgina at home after a Knicks game.

McLean spotted LePaul Gammons outside his girlfriend Assia Winfield’s Jamaica, Queens home. McLean shot LePaul Gammons twice in the buttocks and back using his service weapon as Gammons ran away . Leopold McLean, is currently serving a 7 year term for attempted murder.

Now ,.. don’t you feel safer ?

[Red Boots]

I expect at least 50% to be suicides. In the US, suicide by gunshot is one of the most popular methods, due to the available of firearms.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

2 were semi-local in our area, so I looked up the names- both suicides. Interesting though, is that there were two other deaths in the same town, during the same time frame, both were also suicides, though done without guns. That town is a big gun-free lib zone.

[Brad from Tennessee]

Wikipedia:

“Two-thirds of all gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides. In 2010, there were 19,392 firearm-related suicide deaths, and 11,078 firearm-related homicide deaths in the United States.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

[Brooklyn Attitude]

“Hey, n00b, it is plenty enough to show their blatant dishonesty. Not sure I care for your “Brooklyn Attitude”.”

There wasn’t any in my post but that didnt stop you from name calling and generally being a Richard.

[Lockbar]

Those names, those names. There are a hell of a lot of people in this country who needed and deserved killing. I’m pretty sure they are on Bloomies list, too.

[PapaBear3625]

1 in 12 is ~ 8% which is not that big a number.

That's just the number killed in self defense or by police. If you add in the number who have felony records, the number goes up considerably. Most people killed by "gun violence" are thugs killed by other thugs.

Up to 90 percent of the homicide victims have criminal records

[pax_et_bonum]

1 in 12 is ~ 8% which is not that big a number.
_________

So is this what you’d think if your boss decided to give you an 8% reduction in salary?

[MileHi]

Let's see:

1 in 12 is ~ 8% which is not that big a number.

So at least 8% are bogus (how many more are suicide, bangers killed by bangers?) and you say it's not that big a number. Gun grabbers and democRats in general lie and distort to further their agenda, but as long as it is by "not that big a number", what, not that big a deal?

Now, when a new poster with a screen name that looks like a resident of bloomyville, I have to wonder a little why you seemed to minimize the deception.

[Brooklyn Attitude]

“That’s just the number killed in self defense or by police. If you add in the number who have felony records, the number goes up considerably. Most people killed by “gun violence” are thugs killed by other thugs.”

In the general scheme of RAT lies and distortion of data 8% seems pretty mild. If you want the number to make an impact incorporate suicides, thug on thug, etc and you can show that number is probably 8 out of 12.

[Brooklyn Attitude]

“So at least 8% are bogus (how many more are suicide, bangers killed by bangers?) and you say it’s not that big a number. Gun grabbers and democRats in general lie and distort to further their agenda, but as long as it is by “not that big a number”, what, not that big a deal?”

See post 18

“Now, when a new poster with a screen name that looks like a resident of bloomyville, I have to wonder a little why you seemed to minimize the deception.”

I dont care for people who at the first sign of a disagreement run to check your sign up date and call noob as if its some kind of winning argument. FYI someone with an early sign up doesnt mean their point is more valid than
a recent one. I’ve been posting for 10 months, if you suspect I’m a troll try checking my past posts before getting unpleasant.

[cripplecreek]

Gun stats in America are usually pretty slanted.

For instance Detroit has a very high murder rate but it also has the highest justifiable homicide rate (about 5 per week) which is statistically counted as murder.